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Prabhupāda:  
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ye yathā māṁ prapadyante<br />
tāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham<br />
mama vartmānuvartante<br />
manuṣyāḥ pārtha sarvaśaḥ<br />
[[BG 4.11]] </div>


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Lord Kṛṣṇa says that "every man is following My path, indirectly or directly." The supreme position of the Lord is that He is in the supreme absolute position, and every other living being, they are all subordinate. In the Vedic Upaniṣad it is clearly stated, nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān ( Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13) . This is the natural law in any society, in any community, in any country, even in the animal society.


If you go to the forest there are societies of different animals: elephant society, tiger society, deer society, jackal society, wolf society. Even in the birds, you'll find, the birds of the same feather flock together. This is the natural way. You'll find that all the pigeons, they flock together, not the crows and the pigeons flock together. The ducks, they flock together. Similarly, this is the natural way, and there... In every group there is a leader.
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So the Supreme Lord, He is called in the Vedic literature that He is the supreme leader. Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām. Nitya means eternal, and nityānām, that means many other eternals. We are many other eternals. Eka, that one eternal... Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān. There are two kinds of eternals. We living entities, we are also eternal, and the Supreme Lord, He is also eternal. So far eternity is concerned, both of us equal on the qualitative nature. He is eternal, and we are eternal. Sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1] . He is also all pleasure, and we are also all pleasure because we are all parts and parcel of the same quality. But He is the leader.


Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān: "That one is maintaining all these many." We, the living entities, we are many. So our position is always subordinate. That is our natural constitutional position. Now, the Supreme Lord's position is the leadership, and our position is subordinate. Then what is our duty? Our duty is to follow the leader. And actually we are doing so. We have got... Instead of... We have forgotten that the supreme leader is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but still, for our daily activities we create a leader. We accept some leader and follow his principles. Just like you have elected your leader as President Johnson, the president of your state. He is supposed to be the leader of your nation, and he is asking you to go to the Vietnam and sacrifice your life. So you are following. So this is the natural position. Even if we do not accept God, if we do not accept the leadership of God, we have to select another leader. We cannot get rid of this principle, that we can live without leader. That is our constitutional position.
'''Prabhupāda:'''


So the difficulty is that... Our difficulty is that instead of following the supreme leader, we are creating by mental concoction some leader according to our material conception of life, and we are following. That is our position. So Lord Kṛṣṇa said,
:''kāṅkṣantaḥ karmaṇāṁ siddhiṁ''
:''yajanta iha devatāḥ''
:''kṣipraṁ hi mānuṣe loke''
:''siddhir bhavati karma-jā''
:([[BG 4.12 (1972)|BG 4.12]])


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People, they are naturally following leadership, but they do not want to follow the leadership of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, because they want immediate relief from the miseries of this world. They do not want a permanent solution of all miseries. Kṛṣṇa . . . if we accept the leadership of Kṛṣṇa, then in this very life we can make a solution of all the miseries of material existence. But instead of following the leadership of Kṛṣṇa, we accept leadership which is also indirectly the leadership of Kṛṣṇa, but it is misrepresented because on account of contamination of this material nature.
ye yathā māṁ prapadyante<br />
tāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham<br />
mama vartmānuvartante<br />
manuṣyāḥ pārtha sarvaśaḥ<br />
[[BG 4.11]] </div>


Material nature is inferior, or lower, nature. Constitutionally, we are following the leadership, but we want immediate, temporary relief for our miseries. We do not want permanent solution of all miseries. That is the defect of our life. But here is a chance. If we follow the leadership of Kṛṣṇa, then we make a solution of the whole miseries. ''Kāṅkṣantaḥ'' . . .


People are actually following the same principle, but the difficulty is that in our this position of lower nature we are following in the manner which will not make us happy and satisfied. Because we are not following the supreme leader, the difficulty... By constitutional position we are to follow a leader, but because we are misled, because we are deluded to follow a leader which is not perfect, therefore our position is always unhappy in spite of following the leadership of a concocted nature.
:''kāṅkṣantaḥ karmaṇāṁ siddhiṁ''
:''yajanta iha devatāḥ''
:''kṣipraṁ hi mānuṣe loke''
:''siddhir bhavati karma-jā''
:([[BG 4.12 (1972)|BG 4.12]])


Therefore the best thing will be to get rid of this concocted position and follow the supreme leader. That is the highest perfection. Just try to understand that I cannot avoid following someone's leadership. That is not possible. Can anyone say that "we can avoid this"? No. We cannot avoid. Even if we don't accept the leadership of God, we have to accept some other leader. That is our position. We cannot avoid it.
''Karma-jā'' means those who are acting here on the line of fruitive activities. Suppose . . . you have experienced that there are so many political leaders. They follow some particular leader, and they capture the governmental machinery, but after some time they are taken away from the scene. Just like in our country, recently, within one year, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, he's also shifted away—Shastri is also shifted away.


So there is a very nice verse in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. A brāhmaṇa, he was a family man, just like worldly man, as we are. Now, brāhmaṇas are generally expected to be highly learned, and he was very learned man in Vedic literature. And when he came to his consciousness by reading all this Vedic literature, that "Although I am following the leadership, why I am not happy? Why I am not happy?"... This question should arise in the sane human mind. One should think that "I am following the leadership of somebody, according to my position and according to my circumstances. But still, I am not happy. Why?"
In your country, the President Kennedy is also shifted away. We do not take into account that after shifting this position, again we are going to enter into the miserable life of material existence. If we do not make a solution in present life, then we are again going to enter.


Why we select one leader? The leader should be such a leader that they shall, he shall make happy and prosperous persons who follow him. That is the question of leadership. But actually, if we think in sober mind and cool head, we can understand that although we are following leadership, may be whatever he may be, still, we are not happy. Now, the brāhmaṇa concluded that "This following leadership is the following leadership of my lust." I select one leader according to my lust.
Suppose in this life I am elected to be the president of this great state, United State of America, and if my next life I become an ordinary citizen or even an animal . . . there is no guarantee what I shall become in my next life. That depends on my work, because the whole body is given by the material nature. It is not made according to my order supply. ''Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ'' ([[BG 3.27 (1972)|BG 3.27]]).


Just like in political parties there are many leaders, but I like some particular type of political pursuit. Someone likes Democratic political pursuit; someone likes Congress political pursuit; someone likes Communist political pursuit. So we have got different desires. So practically, if we study very minutely, then we are not following the leadership but we are following our particular lust. I have got a particular lust within me, and when I find somebody corroborating with that particular lust, oh, I accept him, that leader. That is my position. Therefore I do not follow anyone's leadership, but I follow my own leadership. That is the lust. I want to do, I like to do something, and if somebody says, "Oh, yes, it is very nice," "Oh, you are my leader. If you confirm my lust, then you are my leader." That is the material leadership.
You are given a chance to act here, but according to your act, it will be judged what you are going to have in your next life. That is your problem. No . . . don't make this life of fifty years, sixty years or seventy years or hundred years as all in all. You have got a continuous life of transmigration from one body to another. It is going on. You must know that.


But the Supreme Lord is not like such... He is not such a leader. He is not going to follow your lust. In the Bhagavad-gītā you will find that the Supreme Lord says in the Eighteenth Chapter,
Now here is a chance to stop this nonsense of transmigrating from one body to another and suffer the material miseries. Here is a chance. And how that chance you are going to utilize? That we have already discussed. ''Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya'' ([[BG 4.9 (1972)|BG 4.9]]).


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If somebody simply studies critically the transcendental nature of Kṛṣṇa, the transcendental nature of His activities, simply by knowing this, the benefit will be that ''tyaktvā deham'', after quitting this body, you are not again going to have such a material body, but ''tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma'' . . . ([[BG 4.9 (1972)|BG 4.9]]). ''Punar janma'' means you are not going to take your birth again in the womb of a mother of this material nature.
sarva-dharmān parityajya<br />
mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja<br />
ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo<br />
mokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ<br />
[[BG 18.66]] </div>


So just believe it. It is standard. It is accepted by all the great stalwart scholars and ''ācāryas'' of repute. Just like Śaṅkarācārya, Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, great scholars and ''ācāryas'', they have accepted it. ''Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186]]).


He says, "My dear Arjuna, I have spoken to you all about Bhagavad-gītā. I do not know whether you have understood the whole thing or not, but because you are My friend and I love you and you love Me, I say you the most confidential thing to you. And what is that? You give up everything and just follow Me. You just give up all your concocted things in the mind and just become Kṛṣṇa conscious."
We have to follow the footprints of great saints and sages, those who have achieved success by this indication of ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Don't follow your whims. Take the standard advice. Just try to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Just try to understand Kṛṣṇa, what is Kṛṣṇa. And the result is that after leaving this body, you are no more going to accept any material body, but you enter into the spiritual kingdom and you have your spiritual body, which is eternal, full of knowledge and blissful. This is the chance.


"Oh, I shall give up everything and simply I shall follow You?" "Yes." "Oh, how can I do? I have got so many department of knowledge and department of things. How can I?" No. He says, mā śucaḥ: "Don't hesitate." Now, what will be the result? The result will be ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi: [[BG 18.66]] "I shall deliver you from all reactions of your sinful acts."
So Kṛṣṇa says . . . although the chance is there, people, out of foolishness . . . exactly this very word has been used in the Seventh Chapter.


You know, of course, according to Vedic literature... And I don't say about the Vedic literature. That is the injunction of every scripture, either Bible, Koran, or any religious scripture, that we suffer due to our sinful actions. And our sinful actions are due to our ignorance. This is the cause.
:''na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ''
:''prapadyante narādhamāḥ''
:''māyayāpahṛta-jñānā''
:''āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ''
:([[BG 7.15 (1972)|BG 7.15]])


Now, you will find in the Bhagavad-gītā,  
He has used very strong words, that persons who are miscreants, do not care for vice or virtue, never mind—they don't care which is vice and which is virtue—such persons, ''duṣkṛtina'', those who are always engaged in vicious work, and those who are foolish . . . ''na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ''. ''Narādhama'' means lowest of the mankind. And ''māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ'', and one whose knowledge is deluded by the external energy—these people, they do not take the shelter of Kṛṣṇa. They do not like, although the opportunity is open for everyone. But we may not be like the miscreants, foolish and lowest of the mankind. Let us become intelligent.


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Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not very difficult job. It is the easiest and the highest, topmost type of ''yoga'' system. In the Twelfth Chapter you'll find it explicitly stated that one who (is) always in devotional service of Kṛṣṇa, he is the first-class ''yogī''. One who is always constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is the first-class ''yogī''. And that is also stated in the last verse of the Sixth Chapter also, and it is accepted by great scholars and ''ācāryas''.
teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ<br />
bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam<br />
dadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ taṁ<br />
yena mām upayānti te<br />
[[BG 10.10]] </div>


So here is an opportunity. It is very simple, very simple—simply thinking of Kṛṣṇa. ''Satataṁ cintayantaṁ viṣṇum. Smartavyaḥ satataṁ viṣṇur vismartavyo na jātucit'' (Padma Purāṇa, Uttara, 42.103, Nārada-pañcarātra, 4.2.23).


"Any person who is devoutedly, is attached to Me and is fully Kṛṣṇa conscious with love and faith, unto him, I give dictation in such a way that he will come to Me. He will come to Me." How He will give me dictation? Oh, īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe arjuna tiṣṭhati: [[BG 18.61]] "The Supreme Lord, by His plenary portion, He is situated within your heart." Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe arjuna tiṣṭhati. That we individual souls and the Supreme Soul, both of them are sitting in this tree of body. That is the Vedic injunction. The Veda says that two birds, just like friends, they are sitting on the same tree. One bird is eating the fruit of the tree, and the other bird is not eating the fruit but is simply observing the activities of the other bird.
Always, simply if you think that Hare Kṛṣṇa, if you think simply, ''Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare / Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare'', that is sufficient.


This description we get from Vedic literature. The bird which is not eating the fruit of the tree, he is the Supersoul. And the bird which is eating the fruit of the tree, he is the soul, individual soul. That is, we are. We are sitting in this tree of body, and we are eating. This body means every one of us has got a particular body for particular type of distress or enjoyment. Every living being is responsible for his past acts, and he gets a body, either human body or animal body, American body or Indian body or African body. There are different kinds of... I have several times repeated that 8,400,000's of different bodies.
Even if you do not go into the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', if you do not go into the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', simply as you are chanting. Kṛṣṇa has given us the ear, and Kṛṣṇa has given us the tongue. No expense, no difficulty. You haven't got to go to college and take degrees to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. It is easy for the rich, for the poor, for the learned, for the fool, for the black, for the white, for the rich, for the poor—everyone. There is no distinction . . . (indistinct) . . . Kṛṣṇa is for everyone.


So living entity is... According to his work, he is wandering in this circle in the cycle of different species of life. But the Supreme Lord, He is so kind and so friendly with us that He is also with us. Suppose I am sitting in this bird. As soon as I fly to another... I am sitting in this tree, and as soon as I fly to another tree, the other bird, He also follows me. He also follows me, and sits again in that tree. He is so friendly. Just imagine how much kind and how much friendly is the Lord. He is always trying to call me back again to Him. We are trying to noncooperate with Him. We are trying to noncooperate, and He is trying to cooperate. He is sitting with me in the same branch, He is witnessing, He is observing, and He is waiting, simply waiting when we shall turn my face, when I shall turn my face towards Him. That is the whole thing.
''Māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ'' ([[BG 9.32 (1972)|BG 9.32]]). In the lower nature, everyone thinks, "Oh, I am greater than you." The Hindus think, "Oh, we are greater than Muslim." The Muslim thinks, "We are greater than the Hindus." The Christian thinks that "We are greater than the Jews." The Jews thinks, "We are greater than . . ." This is material conception.


So here Bhagavad-gītā, Bhagavān, Kṛṣṇa, says, ye yathā māṁ prapadyante [[BG 4.11]] . He is waiting, waiting when you shall turn, when I shall turn my face towards Him. That's all. He is waiting. Just like... Just you can imagine. Just like a father and a rebelled child or insane child. Those who have got... Of course, you are all young men here. Those who are elderly persons, they have got experience. If their sons go wrong, how much they are anxious. How much the father is anxious to get his son back again, back again. That is the natural instinct. And wherefrom this instinct comes? This instinct comes from the Supreme, because in the Vedānta-sūtra you will find that everything, whatever you are finding in this material world or spiritual world, everything, that has come from the Supreme. Janmādy asya yataḥ: [[BG 4.11]] "He is the supreme source, fountainhead of everything."
But for Kṛṣṇa there is no lower or higher. Every living being—His part and parcel. He comes here to claim every one of you, "Come on. Come on, My dear sons. Why you are suffering this? It is not for you. Take this chance." ''Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata'' ([[BG 4.7 (1972)|BG 4.7]]).


So similarly, whatever we see, paternal affection, conjugal love, friendship, or master and servant... There are so many things we are related in this material world. We must always know that all these sentiments, they are coming from the Supreme. So here the paternal affection which we see here or the conjugal love which we see here, that is simply a perverted reflection of the Supreme. So you just... If we can study this material relationship between one living being to another living being, then if, a sober student, a philosophical-minded student, can understand what is our relation with God. It is not very difficult to understand.
So Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice, but one who does not care for it, they are satisfied by some temporary relief, and they take to other courses. They do not take the leadership of Kṛṣṇa. ''Kāṅkṣantaḥ karmaṇāṁ siddhiṁ yajanta iha devatāḥ''. ''Iha devatāḥ'' means these material gods. Material gods means their existence is so long this material world.


Now, here Kṛṣṇa says, ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. He is looking after always: "When the living entity shall turn his face towards Me?" And as we turn our face towards Kṛṣṇa or the Supreme Lord, He also responds in proportionately. He also responds proportionately. It is not difficult.
Just like here we have got the president, the governor and so many big, big officers. But suppose, somehow or other, this whole planet or the whole thing is gone, destroyed—because we can expect destruction every moment, ''bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate'' ([[BG 8.19 (1972)|BG 8.19]]), then the whole thing, I mean to say, the president and the governor, everything is gone.


Somebody says, "Can we see God?" Yes, you can see God. But how much prapatti? How much you have surrendered to God? Surrender to God... How much qualification you have acquired for seeing God? Seeing God is not very difficult, but at the same time it is very difficult.
''Iha devatāḥ''. So we are taking shelter of this material world, something big, but that will not exist with the annihilation, with the dissolution of this material world. Everything will be dissolved. Everything will be dissolved. So we have to take the leadership of the Supreme. Then it will be the largest perfection, the greatest perfection of life.


Just like if I want to see President Johnson, if I am unknown to him, oh, I will have to take so many formalities. I will have to write to his secretary, and the secretary will give me some time or may not give me some time, so many things. But if you are personally known to President Johnson, you are intimately thick and thin with him, and as soon as you call him, "Mr. Johnson, I want to see you," "Yes, you can come." So it depends on the thick and thin-ship of your relation with Supreme Lord. If you can establish your relationship with the Supreme Lord in love... The Lord does not require our cooperation. He is full in Himself. He does not require my service, but still, if you love Him, then He reciprocates. So our reciprocation with the Lord depends on the proportion of our love, love of Godhead. This love of Godhead can be attained by Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Now, Lord Kṛṣṇa says, ''karmaṇām'', ''karmaṇāṁ siddhim''. How in the material world people are working? He is analyzing the process of different occupation. What is that?


So ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. A proportionately, as I surrender unto the Supreme Lord... We must always know that our background of relationship is that we are subordinate, and He is great. God is great. We cannot be equal with Him. We have to follow. He is the supreme leader. Therefore Lord Kṛṣṇa says that "You give up everything." He is trying to give you leadership. He is prepared to give you all leadership provided you are prepared to follow His leadership. That's all. Reciprocation. And in proportionately, proportionately, as you accept His leadership, He also responds reciprocally. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. As you...
:''cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ''
:''guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ''
:''tasya kartāram api māṁ''
:''viddhy akartāram avyayam''
:([[BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]])


So everything depends on me. I can see God. Just like I am seeing you face to face, you are seeing me face to face, similarly, you can see Kṛṣṇa face to face. Just like Arjuna saw face to face. Why? Because the relationship was so nice that they were in friendly relation. So seeing of God is not very difficult. Simply we have to acquire that qualification.
The Lord says that ''cātur-varṇyam'', four castes or four divisions of human society. You have heard that there is caste system in India. There is caste system in India. There is caste system in India. Sometimes Indians are criticized by the outsider that they have caste system. But here the Lord says the ''cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ'': "This caste system is created by Me." "This caste system is created by Me, how?"


In the Brahma-saṁhitā... This is another Vedic literature. It is said,
''Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ'': "According to quality and according to work." That division in the human society, according to quality and according to work, is there in everywhere, everywhere in the world—not only everywhere in the world, but everywhere in the universe.


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God's creation cannot be stopped. God's creation cannot be stopped. Just like in God's creation there is sun, there is moon, there is seasonal changes. Nobody can stop this. Similarly the ''cātur-varṇyam'', according to quality and ''karma'', that division prevails all over the universe, not only in India but also in your country also. In your country also.
premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena<br />
santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti<br />
yaṁ śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ<br />
govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi<br />
[Bs. 5.38] </div>


And what are these divisions? Now, what are the ''guṇa'' and ''karma''? The ''guṇa'', the quality. There are three qualities. In the material world, there are three qualities—the quality of goodness, the quality of passion and the quality of ignorance. And either human being or animal or demigods or American or Indian, everywhere these qualities are working. So some of them are in the modes or quality of goodness, and some of them are in the quality of passion, and some of them are in the quality of ignorance.


Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena. Now, we have to prepare our eyes to see God. That's all.
Those who are in the quality of goodness, they are called ''brāhmins'', or the intelligent class of men. In Sanskrit language, because intelligence, intelligence does not mean to know, to have some knowledge of the material things. Intelligence means to know about the spiritual world also. That is intelligence.


Just like we are seeing here a thing, say, suppose a motor car. A layman is seeing, and another mechanic who knows how the motor car is running, what are the machinery, how it is fitted, he is also seeing. So this layman seeing and the expert seeing is different. The expert mechanic, he can see the car, who has made it, who is the maker and how it is running, and so many things he can see. And layman, he can see just a car. So similarly, to see everything... Just like we are seeing the sun, a child is seeing the sun, and a scientist, astronomer, is also seeing the sun. So both seeing are not the same.
Because as you know that I am combination of matter and spirit . . . I am spirit, and I am now entangled in this material body. I am spirit, consciousness. As soon as I am out of this body, I can distinguish or . . . I cannot distinguish, because I will go away. You can distinguish that, "Now this real Swāmījī's spirit is gone, the Swāmījī's material body is here." So it is very plain thing. So therefore we should not only have perfect knowledge of this matter, but we should have perfect knowledge of the spirit also, if you are actually intelligent.


So seeing God is not difficult, but we have to prepare our eyes. And how that eye is prepared, that is stated in the Vedic literature, that if you kindly smear your eyeball with the ointment of love... There is an ointment. Of course, it is not available in the drug shop. (laughter) You have to prepare that ointment. You have to prepare that eye ointment, love, love ointment. And if you smear with that love ointment your eyes, then you can see Kṛṣṇa always. Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva [Bs. 5.38] . Sadaiva means always. Always. Not a single moment you are without Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise, do you think that...
Therefore the ''brāhmins'' . . . why they are called ''brāhmins''? ''Brahma jānāti iti brāhmaṇaḥ''. ''Brahmin'', it is English transcription. But real word is ''brāhmin'', ''brāhmin''. And wherefrom this ''brāhmin'' word comes? ''Brahma jānāti iti brāhmaṇaḥ''. That means one who knows the spirit, the spiritual. One who has got complete knowledge of the spiritual world, he is called ''brāhmin''.


Of course, in India we have got many sages. They are living in the jungle, aloof from human society, without any fear, without any caring the animal or for life or fooding. How? Because he is seeing always Kṛṣṇa there, so he has no fear. He has no fear. He is enjoying life there. There are many instances.
How one becomes ''brāhmin''? Now you will find distinctly that ''cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]); "The four divisions of qualitative divisions is set by Me according to quality and ''karma''." Never said that, "According to birth," you will find. "According to birth," it is not said here. Although in India it is now misrepresentated that a ''brāhmin's'' son is trying to designate himself as ''brāhmin'', but according to ''Bhagavad-gītā'', that is not sanctioned. ''Bhagavad-gītā'' says, "according to quality."


In our line one Rūpa Gosvāmī... Rūpa Gosvāmī, he was the prime minister of the then government. Five hundred years before, India was under the Pathan rule, Bengal, and there was a king whose name was Nawab Hussain Shah. Nawab Hussain Shah's prime minister was Sakara Mallika. That Sakara Mallika later on became a great devotee of Lord Caitanya and his name was transformed into Rūpa Gosvāmī. So they were coming from very aristocratic family, but they gave up everything and lived at Vṛndāvana, eating only dry bread and whatever nonsense they...
Now, just like here is a qualified lawyer, Mr. Goldsmith. He is lawyer. Now, because he is lawyer, his son cannot claim that, "Because my father is lawyer, then I am also lawyer." How it can be done? The son also must be qualified lawyer. He must pass the Bachelor of Law degree, examination. Then he can be lawyer. So similarly, here Kṛṣṇa says . . . don't misunderstand the Indian caste system as hereditary. No. It is, according to Vedic literature, it is according to the quality.


They were very rich men, but still, how they could live in such a way? That is described that tyaktvā tūrṇam aśeṣa-maṇḍala-pati-śreṇīṁ sadā tuccha-vat: "They gave up all aristocratic association just like insignificant." And tyaktvā tūrṇam aśeṣa-maṇḍala-pati-śreṇīṁ sadā tuccha-vat bhūtvā dīna-gaṇeśakau karuṇayā kaupīna-kanthāśritau: "And they adopted life of mendicant just to show mercy to the fallen souls." But how they lived? Gopī-bhāva-rasāmṛtābdhi-laharī-kallola-magnau muhur vande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau: "They were merged in the ocean of love of Kṛṣṇa, and they lived so happily." That is... There is a position like that, that you can forget all these material comforts. There is no comfort in the material life. It is so-called. It is simply a delusion.
And what is that quality? ''Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ''. ''Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ'': "Anyone who takes his birth, by his birth he's a ''śūdra''." ''Śūdra'' means the lowest, in the lowest order. Everyone. Even if he is born in the family of a ''brāhmin'', he is to be considered as a ''śūdra'', ''janmanā'', by birth.


We are thinking that we are comfortable. And suppose we are comfortable. How long you shall live in that comfort? That is limited. Either the comfort will leave you or you have to leave the comfort. It may be that your position... The comfortable position which you have created by your monetary strength may be that your monetary strength go down and you become a pauper. So comfort leaves you. Or if you continue... Even if you continue a comfortable life, then death comes and you leave the comfortable. You go away. So there will be separation, certainly.
And perhaps some of you know that the ''brāhmins'', the ''kṣatriyas'' and the ''vaiśyas'', they are called ''dvija''. ''Dvi'' means twice, and ''ja'' means birth. Twice-born. Twice-born. The bird is also called twice-born. Why? The bird birth is first of all in the egg. The egg is fermented, then the real bird comes out. Therefore bird is called in Sanskrit language also ''dvija'', twice-born.


Therefore the brāhmaṇa of whose story I was telling, he, when, after going through this Vedic literature, he understood that "I am following the leadership wrongly of my lust. I am not following the leadership of anyone else. It is false... And although I am accepting somebody as my leader, but actually I accept somebody as my leader who corroborates with my lust. Therefore lust created by me is my leader," so he said, kāmādīnāṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideśāḥ: "Oh, I have followed the leadership of my lust, and in doing so, I am ashamed to, I mean to say, accept it. I agree to accept it, that I have done so many nonsense by the dictation of my lust." Kāmādīnāṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideśāḥ.  
Similarly, a man, unless he is twice-born, he is a ''śūdra''. Twice-born. How is that twice-born? Because by birth anyone, everyone has got some father and mother, because without father and mother, there is no question of birth. So the beast has also got father and mother, and the bird has also father and mother. Similarly, a human being has also got father and mother. So this birth by father and mother is not sufficient for becoming a ''dvija''. He has to take his birth again.


When a person is lustful, then he can do any nonsense thing. Lust is so strong. He can do any nonsense. Durnideśāḥ. Durnideśāḥ means the direction which I should not have followed, but being pressed by my lust, even I followed which I should not have followed. So he is just studying his own life, that "So far I have followed the leadership of my lust, but the result is that my lust is not satisfied." Teṣāṁ na trapā nopaśāntiḥ. Lust will never be satisfied. "My lust is never satisfied, neither he is giving me release of this slavery of my lust." So he said, "My dear Lord, Kṛṣṇa, I have understood that I have followed the leadership of my lust so long, but the result is that the leader whom I have followed, neither he is satisfied, neither I am satisfied." Neither the leader is satisfied...
So ''janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ''. Birth. Birth is not all, everything. The culture, ''saṁskāra''. ''Saṁskāra'' means culture. One has to take his birth, rebirth, by culture, by education, by knowledge. That is called cultural birth. So unless one is in the cultural birth, he is to be considered the lower-grade person, or the ''śūdra''.


Just like... I'll give you a concrete example. In India, you know, Mahatma Gandhi was the leader. But you know that at the last stage he was killed. That means the leader could not satisfy the public, neither public was satisfied with the leader. This is the material leadership. Nobody can... Just like we see so many criticisms of President Johnson. The other day I was seeing in the paper. They have given some caricature. So this is going on. Nobody is satisfied. Kāmādīnāṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideśāḥ.  
So therefore the system in the . . . according to ''varṇāśrama-dharma'', that not only by birth—before birth, when the father and mother is going to be combined to beget a child, there are cultural ''saṁskāra'', or reformatory measures. How much carefully these things are. They wanted first-class son. Not sons like cats and dogs—first-class son. So there is some ''saṁskāra''.


I may follow the leadership of my wife throughout my whole life. Now if I say to my wife, "My dear, I am going to for spiritual culture. Please give me leave," "Oh, how can you leave? You have got so many responsibilities. You have this and that. Oh..." So there is no pension. Kāmādīnāṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideśāḥ.  
There is some purificatory measures, which is called ''garbhādhāna-saṁskāra''. ''Garbhādhāna'' means pregnancy, the cultural ceremony before making the mother pregnant. And it is enjoined, you will find in the ''Bhāgavata'', that any family, the ''brāhmins'', the ''kṣatriyas'' and ''vaiśyas'', if they give up this ''garbhādhāna-saṁskāra'', I mean to say, birth-giving ceremony, then that family turns immediately to the classification of the ''śūdras''.


Therefore, if we become saner, then instead of following this material leadership, we may agree to follow the leadership of Kṛṣṇa. Just try to follow the leadership of Kṛṣṇa and make an experiment how you are becoming happy. We have just started this association, International Society for Krishna Consciousness, and trying to preach Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If you kindly come and take advantage of this opportunity, it will be beneficial for both of us because we have come here with a mission, and if you cooperate, you will be benefited.
So nowadays, at the present moment, this cultural program . . . I am speaking of India and everywhere. There is no such cultural program. That cultural program, that program to beget nice children, the whole program is, we must know, the whole Vedic system is to give the human life the greatest chance of self-realization and get free from these material miseries. That is the whole program. It is not . . . the Vedic culture does not mean that we shall be like cats and dogs, simply eating, sleeping, mating and defending. No. The human society is a systematic program to give everyone the chance of getting free from this material miseries.


The Bhagavad-gītā is a standard literature. Most of you know this Bhagavad-gītā. But generally the Bhagavad-gītā is read very superficially, not very critically. We do not understand Kṛṣṇa, the author of Bhagavad-gītā, neither we understand what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, although it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. We read Bhagavad-gītā superficially, not very critically, neither there is any edition so far... Of course, in Sanskrit there are many editions, annotation by Śrīdhara Svāmī, annotation by Baladeva Vidyābhūṣaṇa, annotation by Viśvanātha Cakravartī, annotation by Śrī Rāmānujācārya. There are many great scholars. But we have no information of those in the western countries. You have no information of those scholars. Ordinary persons with some academic career, they think they are very learned, they can comment on Bhagavad-gītā. Oh, that is not possible. That is not possible. The other day we have already discussed that Bhagavad-gītā can be understood by a person who is Kṛṣṇa conscious, nobody else. Bhakto 'si priyo 'si me rahasyaṁ hy etad uttamam [[BG 4.3]] . So here is a chance.
Just like every state is supposed to be welfare state. Every citizen of that state should be happy, should be prosperous. There should be no anxiety. I do not know if every state is taking care of the citizens in that way. People are always full of anxieties. They are creating situation that everyone is full of anxiety. This material world is made so that it is full of anxieties. Whoever is in the material world . . . even the bird, you will see, when it is taking some grains, he is also full of anxiety. He is looking like this and that, "Oh, somebody is coming or killing me." So this is the nature.


Now, Kṛṣṇa says that ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. Now the proportionately, if you agree to follow the leadership of Kṛṣṇa, proportionately as you follow, so you become perfect. If you follow one percent, then you become one percent perfect. If you follow twenty-five percent, then you become twenty-five percent perfect. And if you follow cent-percent, then you become centpercent. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante tāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham [[BG 4.11]] . Kṛṣṇa does not interfere with your individual independence. Every living entity has got an independence, minute, because he is also spiritual atom. We are all spiritual atoms. That atomic, spiritual atomic force... Just like a material atomic force is so strong, so you can just imagine how strong is spiritual atom.
The human society, human society is so arranged that the people, the members of the human society, should be free from all anxieties. Therefore we require good citizens, good father and mother, good system of government, and pious, virtuous cooperation between God and nature. Everything will be helpful for my spiritual realization, for my self-realization. If I am full of anxiety, how can I make progress in spiritual realization? It is not possible.


In the modern age, the atomic age, the scientists have discovered the force, the power of material atoms. But they have not yet known what is the force of spiritual atom. There is spiritual atom. We are spiritual atom. The atom is described in the Vedic literature, the form of the spirit which we are actually. Keśāgra-śata-bhāgasya śatadhā kalpitasya ca [[CC Madhya 19.140]] .  
Therefore it is the duty of the state, duty of the father, duty of the teacher, duty of the spiritual master to give chance to the small children to develop in such a way that he becomes fully realized spiritual soul at the end, and so that his miserable life in the material existence is over. That is the responsibility.


Keśāgra... Keśa means the hair, the upper portion of your hair. When it is divided into ten thousand parts... And just imagine. That one part is the spiritual atom. It is so small, it is so minute, that it is not possible to see with our material eyes. Even the material atom also we cannot see. When the material atoms are combined into six, then you can see floating in the air through the sunshine which is entering your room through the holes of a window. You can see some particles. That small particle, they are combination of six atoms. That particle, when it is divided into six, that becomes the atom. So you cannot see even the material atom, and what to speak of the spiritual atom.
In ''Bhāgavata'' you will see that Ṛṣabhadeva says that "One should not become the spiritual master, one should not become the father, one should not become the mother, one should not become the husband who cannot give relief from these miseries of material existence". It is the husband's duty also. Because the wife is under the protection of the husband, he has got so much responsibility.


When a dead man is there, the medical man or every scientist, everyone is sitting. How that spiritual atom is passed from this body, nobody can see. They can simply say, "Oh, now he is gone." Who is gone? Have you see who is gone? "No." Then what you are seeing? "I am seeing this dead body." So whole life you have seen this dead body. If I cannot see at the present structure of my body even the spark, material atom, how we can see God, the Supreme Spirit?
Woman class and children class, they are taken in the same category. They require protection. They require protection. That is the ''Manu-saṁhitā''. ''Na striyaṁ svatantratām arhati''. Women should be under the protection. They should be given all protection. So the system of taking . . . just like the Hindu system is . . . just like a girl, before attaining the age of puberty, she is handed over to a suitable boy to take charge before she gets youthful energy.


So we have to qualify ourselves. So that qualification is, here it is stated, ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. If you try to surrender yourself into Kṛṣṇa consciousness... Just like Kṛṣṇa is canvassing, asking Arjuna, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇam: [[BG 18.66]] "You just try to surrender unto Me, and I shall give you all protection." And just I described a few minutes before that Kṛṣṇa is seated along with you in the same tree of this body. He is just waiting for your voluntary looking unto Him. That's it. He does not press you. He gives you all instruction.
So this is the system of ''varṇāśrama-dharma''. This is the system. The whole idea is that everyone should be given the chance of being liberated in this very life. No more waiting for again for further . . . another life. Who knows that I am going to be human being again? It may be by freaks of nature I become a cat, a dog, a cow, an animal.


Just like Kṛṣṇa gave all instruction of Bhagavad-gītā to Arjuna, but at last, He asked him, "My dear Arjuna, I have given you all instruction. Whether you have understood it? And how you are going to follow? Have you decided to follow Me?" Just see. He does not say that "I force you to follow," no. He asked him, "Now, have you decided to follow Me?" And He gives him the, I mean to say, full independence— yathecchasi tathā kuru: [[BG 18.63]] "Now I have given you all instruction. Now it is up to you. You can do whatever you like."
Now we are very much enthusiastic to become good nationals. Suppose I am American, a very good national. Now, after death, suppose that if I become a cow. Then even I am national of this country, oh, I am destined to be sent to the slaughterhouse. You see? So we should not take the risk of next birth. In this life, in this birth, we should make a permanent solution of all miseries. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Let us become Kṛṣṇa conscious in this very life and make a solution.


So our position is always like that. Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, or His bona fide representatives who come here, they can force you to go back to Godhead, but they do not do that. They want your voluntary cooperation. Unless you are prepared to cooperate voluntarily oh, there is no question of my improvement. So we must accept our voluntary cooperation with Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, or His representative who comes before you to canvass, "My dear sir, please be Kṛṣṇa conscious. Please look to the leadership of the Supreme Lord." Now it is up to you.
Now, this ''cātur-varṇyam'', this plan of ''cātur-varṇyam'', Lord says . . . you should always remember that this material creation, whole material creation . . . there are unlimited number of universes and, I mean to say, planets in each universe. In the ''Brahma-saṁhitā'' it is stated, ''yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi. Jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi''. ''Jagad-aṇḍa'' means this universe, and ''koṭi'' means hundred millions. Hundred millions. Not exactly one hundred millions, but numberless.


Now, He says that "Actually they are following my leadership." Because they are servant, they are followers of leader. They are servant of some created leader materially. So that means there is a propensity, that intrinsic background of following some leader, is there. That you cannot avoid. That you cannot avoid. Mama vartmānuvartante manuṣyāḥ pārtha sarvaśaḥ. They have to... Every man has to follow the same principle. He cannot go out of it. His constitutional position is to follow a leader. He cannot go out of it. Nobody can go out of it. He has to follow either A, B, C, or D, or anyone. He has to select.
:''yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi-''
:''koṭiṣv aśeṣa-vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam''
:''tad brahma niṣkalam anantam aśeṣa-bhūtaṁ''
:''govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi''
:(Bs 5.40)


Just like I'll give you another example. According to Manu-saṁhitā, our Vedic literature, the Manu-saṁhitā says, na striyaṁ svatantratām arhati: "Women should not be given independence" or "Women are not independent." That is a truth, Vedic truth. Now, so far a girl is child, she is dependent on the father, and it is hoped... At least in India we have got this principle. When a girl is grown up, the father gives her in charity to a boy to protect her, protect her, give her protection. And similarly, when a woman is grown up, old enough, she becomes protected by the grown up boys, children. So this Vedic truth that a woman has no independence... She is always under the protection, either under the protection of the father or under the protection of the husband or under the protection of the grown-up sons. That is position. And woman becomes happy in that way. Those who are not following this principle, I think they are not happy. This Vedic principle is truth.
So this material world is created. It is created for temporary existence. ''Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate'' ([[BG 8.19 (1972)|BG 8.19]]), you will find in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'': "This material manifestation is temporary." May be for millions of years, but it is temporary. And why this temporary material world is created? Just to give the rebelled, I mean to say, living entities who are averse to God consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to give another chance for developing. For developing.


So as the woman or the child requires the protection of somebody, similarly, by nature we are under the protection of some leader. But that supreme leadership is vested in the Supreme Lord. And when we do not accept the leadership of the Supreme, then we have to accept somebody else, ABCD, as our leader and they will misguide us. Andhā yathāndhair upanīya... How they are misguiding, just try to understand. How our leaders are misguiding us, just try to understand.
So if we miss this chance, then again, when this material world will be dissolved, oh, we do not know how many millions of years we have to become unconscious. We shall remain in the unconscious, sleeping stage. Then again there will be creation. Then again our body will be created, and . . . so these are very subtle laws. We should not miss. We should be very much serious about this life.


In the Bhāgavata it is said,
So the whole program is made: ''cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]). So by birth one is supposed to be the lowborn. ''Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ''. ''Śūdra'' means without any culture. The man who has no cultural life, he is called a ''śūdra''. And those who are cultured, they are called ''dvija''. ''Dvija'' means twice-born. So one has to take his birth twice. He should not be satisfied simply by taking birth by the father and mother.


<div class="lec_verse">
One should be anxious to take his twice-born, to become twice-born, ''brāhmins''. But that chance is . . . don't think that you cannot become a ''brāhmin''. You can become a qualified ''brāhmin'', provided you abide by the qualification of a qualified ''brāhmin''. Just like to become a lawyer it is not, I mean to say, limited to a certain section or to a certain person. Anyone who takes the qualification of a lawyer, he becomes a lawyer.
na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ<br />
durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ<br />
andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās<br />
te 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ<br />
[[SB 7.5.31]] </div>


Similarly, here Lord says, ''cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ'': "According to quality and ''karma'', these ''cātur-varṇya'', four classes or four castes or four classes of division of the human society, is created by Me." So ''brahma jānāti iti brāhmaṇaḥ''. If you want to know Brahman . . . because that is the prerogative of your life, human life. Vedānta-sūtra says, ''athāto brahma jijñāsā. Athāto brahma-jijñāsā''; "Oh, here is the chance for inquiring about Brahman." ''Athāto brahma jijñāsā''. Now we should take the chance to become a ''brāhmin''. As soon as we begin to enquire about Brahman or the Supreme Brahman, Kṛṣṇa, then my process of becoming the ''brāhmin'' begins.


"People deluded by the material nature do not know what is the ultimate goal of life. The ultimate goal of life is Viṣṇu." Viṣṇu means self-realization, the supreme soul. Why they do not know it?
You know that the ''brāhmins'', the ''kṣatriyas'' and the ''vaiśyas'', they have got the sacred thread. You have seen. I have got the sacred thread. This is, of course, not very valuable. It is . . . (chuckles) it is made of cotton. But this is a badge. This badge is given to a person who is twice-born, who is twice-born. So anyone can become twice-born. There is no hindrance. You will find in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'':


Now, durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ: "They have accepted this external, deluded nature as the goal of life." They want to be happy by adjustment of this material nature. This is durāśayā. Durāśayā means... Duḥ means a difficult, a far away. This hope will never be satisfied. They have made it a point to forget God for good, and they want to make it a point that "We shall be happy in this material world by adjustment of our scientific or so-called knowledge."
:''māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya''
:''ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ''
:''striyo vaiśyās tathā śūdrās''
:''te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim''
:([[BG 9.32 (1972)|BG 9.32]])


And the leaders who are leading them in that way, what sort of leader they are? Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ [[SB 7.5.31]] . Andha, just like a blind man. Sometimes you see a blind man is in this side of the street. He is asking somebody, "Kindly take me to the other side." But if another blind man comes, "All right, I will help you." So what he will help him? The man who wants help to go to the other side, he is seeking for help, and another blind man comes, "All right, I shall help you." So that help is that in the middle of the street they will be smashed. Both of them will be smashed. So similarly, our leadership is like that. Our leaders, they are compact by the laws of nature, and they are proclaiming that "I am leader."
:''kiṁ punar brāhmaṇāḥ puṇyā''
:''bhaktā rājarṣayas tathā''
:([[BG 9.33 (1972)|BG 9.33]])


Just like in India or... The late Prime Minister, Shastri, oh, he was leader. He went to, I mean to say, Russia for making compromise with Pakistan. But he did not know that while signing the peace agreement he would be expired. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās te 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ: [[SB 7.5.31]] "They are tied hand and feet by the laws of nature; still, they are claiming that 'I am the leader.' "
:''kaunteya pratijānīhi''
:''na me bhaktaḥ praṇaśyati''
:([[BG 9.31 (1972)|BG 9.31]])


Suppose if I want to help you. Just like the blind man. I must have eyes. Suppose your hands are tied up. If I want to help you, then my hands must be free. But if my hands are also tied up, how can I help you? It is not possible. So I must be a free man to help you. Your hands are tied up by the laws of nature; then I must be a free man. I must be free from the laws of nature; then I can help you.
So it is a chance we should not miss. You can become ''brāhmin''. There is chance. We should not be satisfied that, "I am born in America, so I am great. I am born of a great nation." That's all right. You are born of a great nation, that's all right. But next cultural birth, to become a ''dvija'', twice-born, is awaiting. The Lord Kṛṣṇa says, "Yes. I give chance to any . . . everyone to become ''dvija''." ''Māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ''. Never mind wherever he is born.


So Kṛṣṇa is free from the laws of nature. Therefore He can help you. He can, I mean to say, unbind your tightening. Tri-guṇamayī. Tri-guṇamayī means the guṇa. Guṇa means rope and also the modes of nature. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [[BG 7.14]] . So we are all under the stringent laws of this material nature. So if we want to get free, we must accept a leader who is free from this material nature. So Kṛṣṇa is free. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā. The material nature is working under His direction. Mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram [[BG 7.14]] . You'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā. Material nature is working under His direction. He is not under the direction of material nature. Therefore He can be our leader, and nobody else can be leader.
Now the human society, everyone thinks that "He is low, I am big." Oh, everyone thinks. In his own consideration he thinks, "I am the biggest. I am the big; he is lower." That is everywhere. But Lord Kṛṣṇa is not considering who is bigger. So He says: "Even who is considering that 'I am lowborn.' " Because if everyone says that I am lowborn, it is propaganda that "You are lowborn. You are lowborn," so I think, "Yes, I am lowborn."


So if you actually want... Because by nature we have to follow some leadership, so if we actually want the leadership which will lead us to the perfect goal of life, then we have to follow Kṛṣṇa. That is a fact. If you don't follow, that depends on our discretion. Just like Arjuna. He was asked by Kṛṣṇa, "Now, what you have decided? Are you going to follow Me? Oh, you can do whatever you like. I have told you everything." So Kṛṣṇa is telling us everything in the Bhagavad-gītā. Now it is up to us to accept His leadership or not. If we accept His leadership, then we are free from this material bondage, and if we do not accept, then we can do whatever we... Kṛṣṇa does not interfere with our independence. That is a fact.
''Daśa cakre bhagavān bhūta''. Just like there was a clique. There was a ''brāhmin''. His name was Bhagavān. So he had some enemies. So the enemies, ten enemies, they sat down in ten places, and wherever he was passing, "Oh, you have become ghost! You have become ghost!" "Oh, how I have become? I am living. How I have become ghost?" Next post he goes, he also says: "Oh, you have become ghost! You have become ghost!" In this way, when he passes ten posts, he thinks, "Oh, I might be, I have become ghost. Otherwise everyone says I have become ghost." So ''daśa cakre bhagavān bhūta''.


Thank you very much. Now if there is any question, you can ask. [break]
So if everyone says I am lowborn, I am lowborn, so I also think I am lowborn. But I am not lowborn. ''Ahaṁ brahmāsmi''. I am ''brahmāsmi''. I am spirit soul. I am born of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is my father. Take like that. Think like that. That is twice-born. That is twice-born. So Kṛṣṇa says, ''māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya'': "Anyone who takes shelter of Me, never mind what he is . . . never mind he is. He may be lowborn, he may be a ''śūdra'', he may be woman, he may be whatever he may be." ''Te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim'': "He can also go to My kingdom."


You have any doubt in the supreme nature of Kṛṣṇa?
So our duty is to become twice-born. Just by culture, by Kṛṣṇa consciousness, let us take another birth. Let us take another birth. Then you will be recognized ''brāhmin''. ''Brahmā jānāti''. As soon as you know Kṛṣṇa, you are ''brāhmin''. Never mind whether you are born in America, Czechoslovakia or any other place. Doesn't matter. So try to become a ''brāhmin''. Here is a chance.


Guest (1): I wish to understand.
But how to become a ''brāhmin''? Simply by purchasing two-cent-worth this thread and getting on the body? No. There are qualities, ''karma''. You have to act like a ''brāhmin'', and you have to acquire the qualification of a ''brāhmin''. Then you can become a ''brāhmin''. There is no impediment. Never mind wherever you were born. That doesn't matter.


Prabhupāda: That we are making discussion. That we are making discussion. Yes. Kṛṣṇa is accepted as the Supreme by all stalwart past ācāryas. Just like Śaṅkarācārya, a great stalwart scholar. He also accepts Kṛṣṇa: sa bhagavān svayaṁ kṛṣṇaḥ. Oh, he accepts Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Lord. You will find in his annotation of Bhagavad-gītā. Similarly, Śrī Rāmānujācārya, he accepts. And now Lord Caitanya, He also preached this Kṛṣṇa philosophy, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And formerly also, great leaders like Vyāsadeva, Nārada, and even at the present moment all big leaders of India...
So here is . . . ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is giving a chance to everyone to become ''brāhmin'' or be qualified person who knows Brahman and who is preparing himself for the next birth in the spiritual kingdom. He is called ''brāhmin''. ''Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]).


I am speaking especially of India because this Bhagavad-gītā was first seen in India, in the Indian plain. Of course, it is not meant for India. It is meant for everyone. Just like the sun rises in the east first, then comes to the west, but that does not mean east has the monopoly of the sun and not the west. Similarly, the sun of Bhagavad-gītā might have arisen in the land of India, but that does not mean that it is the monopoly of India. It is meant for everyone. It is meant for everyone. So it is an accepted authority. So mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [[CC Madhya 17.186]] . So we have to follow great personalities. Yes.
Now, the Lord says, ''tasya kartāram api māṁ viddhy akartāram avyayam'': "Although I have created this system, still, I am not there." "I am not there." Why? Because Kṛṣṇa is neither ''brāhmin'' nor ''śūdra'' nor ''kṣatriya'' or anything, anything of the material world. He is transcendental. When we go to Kṛṣṇa with spiritual body, we also become like Kṛṣṇa in transcendental body. That chance is given here. So just it is our duty, everyone.


Guest (2): If Kṛṣṇa is the supreme consciousness, then why isn't anything we do or anyone we follow following or doing Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
Lord Caitanya, He is Kṛṣṇa Himself. He appeared as a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, but He never said that, "I am Kṛṣṇa." But from Vedic references we understand that He is Kṛṣṇa. But the same mission. The Kṛṣṇa's mission and Lord Caitanya's mission is the same. How it is same? Kṛṣṇa, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He said that, "You surrender unto Me," and Lord Caitanya said, "You surrender unto Kṛṣṇa." The same thing. Lord Caitanya said . . . what is the philosophy of Lord Caitanya? Lord Caitanya says:


Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is supreme consciousness. That's all right. But you are not supreme consciousness. You have to follow the supreme consciousness.
:''ārādhyo bhagavān vrajeśa-tanayas tad-dhāma vṛṇdāvanaṁ''
:''ramya kaścid upāsanā vraja-vadhu-varga-vīrya kalpita''
:''śrīmad-bhāgavatam amalaṁ purāṇaṁ premā pum-artho mahān''
:''śrī-caitanya mahāprabhor matam idaṁ tatradaraḥ na paraḥ''
:(Caitanya-mañjusā)


Guest (2): But if He is supreme consciousness, everything I do is following that one supreme consciousness. There can be nothing else we could do.
The philosophy of Lord Caitanya is that Kṛṣṇa is the only object of worship. And as Kṛṣṇa is object of worship, similarly, His place, Vṛndāvana, ''Vṛndāvana-dhāma''. Those who have visited India, ''Vṛndāvana-dhāma'', still, if you go to Vṛndāvana without knowing about Kṛṣṇa, you will at once feel Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is such a nice place. So that ''Vṛndāvana-dhāma'' is also worshiping.


Prabhupāda: No. No. No. We are not following the supreme consciousness. Then we'd have been on the same level. Just like your consciousness and my consciousness is different because we do not follow the supreme consciousness. Therefore your...
And ''ramya kaścid upāsanā vraja-vadhu-varga-vīrya kalpita''. Now, Kṛṣṇa was worshiped by the damsels of Vrajadhāma. Lord Caitanya recommends, "That is the highest, topmost grade of worship, because that was pure love." The damsels of Vraja loved Kṛṣṇa so much, without any return. That's a sublime thing. So He recommended, "That is the highest form of worship."


Guest (2): The supreme consciousness is all, isn't it?
''Ramya kaścid upāsanā vraja-vadhu-varga-vīrya kalpita, śrīmad-bhāgavatam amalaṁ purāṇam'': "As ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavata'' is the spotless Vedic literature." Because ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' is full of Kṛṣṇa consciousness only. That's all. Just like this ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is full of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is the preliminary study of ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''.


Prabhupāda: Supreme conscious, yes... Supreme...
The last word of the ''Śrīmad-Bhagavad-gītā'' is that ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]); "You give up everything. You just surrender unto Me," Kṛṣṇa says. One who accepts this philosophy—"I accept Kṛṣṇa as ''vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ''" ([[BG 7.19 (1972)|BG 7.19]])—then for him ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' is the postgraduate study.


Guest (2): Is all, all consciousness.
And ''śrīmad-bhāgavatam amalaṁ purāṇaṁ prema pum-artho mahān''. Now, we are searching. We are searching our self-interest. Everyone is busy of his own interest, but they do not know what is real interest. They do not know what is real interest. The real interest is to invoke the dormant love of Kṛṣṇa.


Prabhupāda: Consciousness is the same, as in the Supreme, so also in you, so also in me. The quality of the consciousness is the same. But your consciousness and my consciousness is different.
That is my real interest. That dormant love for Kṛṣṇa is there in every one of you. Don't think that because I am born in India, therefore I have got love of Kṛṣṇa within my heart dormant or manifested. No. That dormant love of Kṛṣṇa is within you also. Kṛṣṇa is neither foreign to you or foreign to me. He is for everyone. Therefore love of Kṛṣṇa is there permanently, but it is covered. Simply it has to be invoked.


Guest (2): But therefore all part of the same supreme consciousness.
And what is this process of invoking? This is the process. Just like we are discussing, you are chanting, and you are reading ''Bhagavad-gītā'', we are reading ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''. This association will help us. This association will help us to invoke that dormant Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So if we at all want . . .  


Prabhupāda: Qualitatively, the one, but at the present moment, because we are materially bound up, therefore we find so many different consciousness. Do you think that your consciousness and my consciousness is the same?
You will be interested in hearing a story. Not story; it is actual fact. One of my Godbrother who is no longer in this world—his name was Bhaktisāraṅga Goswami—he went to London. Just I have come to your New York, he went to London and he formed a society also there in which Lord Ronaldsay, the Marquis of Zetland . . . he was formerly governor of Bengal during British period, and in our childhood, when we were college student, in boyhood, I saw him. He is very interest in India philosophy. He's a Scotsman but very interested. Lord Ronaldsay. So that Lord Ronaldsay, he was very kind enough to become the president of that society my Godbrother organized in London.


Guest (2): Yes.
So Lord Ronaldsay and that my Godbrother is talking. So Lord Ronaldsay asked him, "Well, Swāmījī, can you make me a ''brāhmin''?" "Yes, why not? Yes, why not? You can become a ''brāhmin''." "So what are the conditions?" My Godbrother said: "The preliminary four conditions." "What are these conditions?" "Now, ''striya-sūnā-pāna-dyūta yatra pāpaś catur-vidhāḥ'' ([[SB 1.17.38]]). You cannot have any illicit connection with woman, you cannot have any intoxication habit, you cannot indulge in gambling or unnecessary sporting, and you cannot live on animal food." Lord Ronaldsay replied, "It is impossible. It is impossible." (laughs)


Prabhupāda: How? Do you agree with me? Do I agree with you?
So these things, these four principles, preliminary, if we actually want to be a ''brāhmin'', then we have to take care of these four principles of life just to become a ''brāhmin''. Yes. Then everyone can become a ''brāhmin''. There is no bar. And whoever becomes a ''brāhmin'', he knows what is Brahman. And Kṛṣṇa is Parambrahman. Parambrahman. You'll find in the Tenth Chapter, He is addressed by Arjuna, ''paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān'' ([[BG 10.12-13 (1972)|BG 10.12]]); "By studying ''Bhagavad-gītā'' I now understand that Kṛṣṇa, You are Parambrahman." ''Paraṁ dhāma'': "You are the shelter of everyone." So He is Parambrahman.


Guest (2): Er... Not truly.
So anyone who becomes a ''brāhmin'', he first of all knows what is ''Brahman—brahma-jijñāsā''—the Supreme, the Absolute Truth. And the Absolute . . . one who knows Absolute Truth and enters into further, postgraduate study, he understands Kṛṣṇa. And as soon as he understands Kṛṣṇa, then his next life in the spiritual world is guaranteed.


Prabhupāda: Yes. We do not agree. Therefore your consciousness, different; my consciousness, different. When we agree, then it is the same. When we come to the point of agreement, then it is the same.
So this is the process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is the simple process introduced by Lord Kṛṣṇa . . . er, Lord Caitanya. Lord Caitanya also supported this philosophy of Kṛṣṇa, that anyone is eligible for going back to the kingdom of Kṛṣṇa. This simple process. That is also stated in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. We have discussed that simply by knowing the transcendental nature of Kṛṣṇa, we become eligible for entering into His kingdom. Simply by knowing. So try to know. Try to study what is Kṛṣṇa. And do you know what is the recommendation of Caitanya Mahāprabhu? Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He said that:


Guest (2): It's the same, even we disagree because disagreement is a part of the same supreme soul.
:''kibā śūdra kibā vipra nyāsī kene naya''
:''yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā sei guru haya''
:([[CC Madhya 8.128]])


Prabhupāda: Then you mean to say disagreement, agreement, the same thing?
That means, "It doesn't matter whether he is a householder or a ''svāmī'', renounced order, or a ''brāhmin'' or a ''śūdra'' or a lowborn, whatever he is. That doesn't matter. If he knows the science of Kṛṣṇa, he is a bona fide spiritual master. If he simply knows the science of Kṛṣṇa." This is ''cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]). It is the quality.


Guest (2): Yes.
Just like if I go to a medical man or a lawyer, we go there for his qualification. We don't ask him, "Well, sir, are you Christian? Are you Jew or Indian or American or a ''brāhmin''?" No. We are concerned with the qualification. It doesn't matter what he is. He may be an American, he may be an Indian, he may be Christian, he may be Jew, he may be Hindu or Muhammadan. Doesn't matter. He's a practiced medical practitioner, so he's a qualified man. I have gone there for my treatment.


Prabhupāda: Then I cannot follow you.
Similarly, Lord Caitanya also says the same thing, and Kṛṣṇa also says the same thing. Never it is He is stressing on birth. Birth is no consideration. Nobody is responsible for his birth. He may be lowborn, but what is that? Or he may be highborn. That doesn't matter. But when he comes out from the womb of the mother, he has got his own responsibility. He has to advance his cultural life in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is his responsibility. That is his responsibility. Of course, father, mother, state, teacher, friend, they can help us, but ultimately, the responsibility lies with me.


Guest (2): That's why I'm trying to understand. The supreme consciousness is all consciousness, even disagreement.
If I want to enter into the kingdom of God, or Kṛṣṇa, if we want to be Kṛṣṇa consciousness, there is no impediment. There is no impediment. ''Ahaituky apratihatā'' ([[SB 1.2.6]]). In the ''Bhāgavata'' says that if one wants to cultivate the Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is without any cause and without any impediment. Because it is transcendental subject matter. It does not depend on any material condition. On any material condition. There is no consideration of material impediment. So it is open for everyone. ''Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]).


Prabhupāda: Supreme consciousness... Just like... You try to understand your consciousness. You are conscious? You agree? Are you conscious what is going on in me? (end)
That is a chance given, that you can become a ''brāhmin'', you can become a great devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, and you can become the spiritual master of the world. That is the . . . and I think you should take seriously. I am old man. If you, some of you at least, understand this science and take up this science, you become future hope of the . . . this country or the world. That is my request to you, that you should take this chance and become a spiritual master for all the people.


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His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada




660727BG.NY - July 27, 1966



Prabhupāda:

kāṅkṣantaḥ karmaṇāṁ siddhiṁ
yajanta iha devatāḥ
kṣipraṁ hi mānuṣe loke
siddhir bhavati karma-jā
(BG 4.12)

People, they are naturally following leadership, but they do not want to follow the leadership of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, because they want immediate relief from the miseries of this world. They do not want a permanent solution of all miseries. Kṛṣṇa . . . if we accept the leadership of Kṛṣṇa, then in this very life we can make a solution of all the miseries of material existence. But instead of following the leadership of Kṛṣṇa, we accept leadership which is also indirectly the leadership of Kṛṣṇa, but it is misrepresented because on account of contamination of this material nature.

Material nature is inferior, or lower, nature. Constitutionally, we are following the leadership, but we want immediate, temporary relief for our miseries. We do not want permanent solution of all miseries. That is the defect of our life. But here is a chance. If we follow the leadership of Kṛṣṇa, then we make a solution of the whole miseries. Kāṅkṣantaḥ . . .

kāṅkṣantaḥ karmaṇāṁ siddhiṁ
yajanta iha devatāḥ
kṣipraṁ hi mānuṣe loke
siddhir bhavati karma-jā
(BG 4.12)

Karma-jā means those who are acting here on the line of fruitive activities. Suppose . . . you have experienced that there are so many political leaders. They follow some particular leader, and they capture the governmental machinery, but after some time they are taken away from the scene. Just like in our country, recently, within one year, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, he's also shifted away—Shastri is also shifted away.

In your country, the President Kennedy is also shifted away. We do not take into account that after shifting this position, again we are going to enter into the miserable life of material existence. If we do not make a solution in present life, then we are again going to enter.

Suppose in this life I am elected to be the president of this great state, United State of America, and if my next life I become an ordinary citizen or even an animal . . . there is no guarantee what I shall become in my next life. That depends on my work, because the whole body is given by the material nature. It is not made according to my order supply. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ (BG 3.27).

You are given a chance to act here, but according to your act, it will be judged what you are going to have in your next life. That is your problem. No . . . don't make this life of fifty years, sixty years or seventy years or hundred years as all in all. You have got a continuous life of transmigration from one body to another. It is going on. You must know that.

Now here is a chance to stop this nonsense of transmigrating from one body to another and suffer the material miseries. Here is a chance. And how that chance you are going to utilize? That we have already discussed. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya (BG 4.9).

If somebody simply studies critically the transcendental nature of Kṛṣṇa, the transcendental nature of His activities, simply by knowing this, the benefit will be that tyaktvā deham, after quitting this body, you are not again going to have such a material body, but tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma . . . (BG 4.9). Punar janma means you are not going to take your birth again in the womb of a mother of this material nature.

So just believe it. It is standard. It is accepted by all the great stalwart scholars and ācāryas of repute. Just like Śaṅkarācārya, Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, great scholars and ācāryas, they have accepted it. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ (CC Madhya 17.186).

We have to follow the footprints of great saints and sages, those who have achieved success by this indication of Bhagavad-gītā. Don't follow your whims. Take the standard advice. Just try to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Just try to understand Kṛṣṇa, what is Kṛṣṇa. And the result is that after leaving this body, you are no more going to accept any material body, but you enter into the spiritual kingdom and you have your spiritual body, which is eternal, full of knowledge and blissful. This is the chance.

So Kṛṣṇa says . . . although the chance is there, people, out of foolishness . . . exactly this very word has been used in the Seventh Chapter.

na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ
prapadyante narādhamāḥ
māyayāpahṛta-jñānā
āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ
(BG 7.15)

He has used very strong words, that persons who are miscreants, do not care for vice or virtue, never mind—they don't care which is vice and which is virtue—such persons, duṣkṛtina, those who are always engaged in vicious work, and those who are foolish . . . na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ. Narādhama means lowest of the mankind. And māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ, and one whose knowledge is deluded by the external energy—these people, they do not take the shelter of Kṛṣṇa. They do not like, although the opportunity is open for everyone. But we may not be like the miscreants, foolish and lowest of the mankind. Let us become intelligent.

Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not very difficult job. It is the easiest and the highest, topmost type of yoga system. In the Twelfth Chapter you'll find it explicitly stated that one who (is) always in devotional service of Kṛṣṇa, he is the first-class yogī. One who is always constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is the first-class yogī. And that is also stated in the last verse of the Sixth Chapter also, and it is accepted by great scholars and ācāryas.

So here is an opportunity. It is very simple, very simple—simply thinking of Kṛṣṇa. Satataṁ cintayantaṁ viṣṇum. Smartavyaḥ satataṁ viṣṇur vismartavyo na jātucit (Padma Purāṇa, Uttara, 42.103, Nārada-pañcarātra, 4.2.23).

Always, simply if you think that Hare Kṛṣṇa, if you think simply, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare / Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare, that is sufficient.

Even if you do not go into the Bhagavad-gītā, if you do not go into the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, simply as you are chanting. Kṛṣṇa has given us the ear, and Kṛṣṇa has given us the tongue. No expense, no difficulty. You haven't got to go to college and take degrees to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. It is easy for the rich, for the poor, for the learned, for the fool, for the black, for the white, for the rich, for the poor—everyone. There is no distinction . . . (indistinct) . . . Kṛṣṇa is for everyone.

Māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ (BG 9.32). In the lower nature, everyone thinks, "Oh, I am greater than you." The Hindus think, "Oh, we are greater than Muslim." The Muslim thinks, "We are greater than the Hindus." The Christian thinks that "We are greater than the Jews." The Jews thinks, "We are greater than . . ." This is material conception.

But for Kṛṣṇa there is no lower or higher. Every living being—His part and parcel. He comes here to claim every one of you, "Come on. Come on, My dear sons. Why you are suffering this? It is not for you. Take this chance." Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata (BG 4.7).

So Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice, but one who does not care for it, they are satisfied by some temporary relief, and they take to other courses. They do not take the leadership of Kṛṣṇa. Kāṅkṣantaḥ karmaṇāṁ siddhiṁ yajanta iha devatāḥ. Iha devatāḥ means these material gods. Material gods means their existence is so long this material world.

Just like here we have got the president, the governor and so many big, big officers. But suppose, somehow or other, this whole planet or the whole thing is gone, destroyed—because we can expect destruction every moment, bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate (BG 8.19), then the whole thing, I mean to say, the president and the governor, everything is gone.

Iha devatāḥ. So we are taking shelter of this material world, something big, but that will not exist with the annihilation, with the dissolution of this material world. Everything will be dissolved. Everything will be dissolved. So we have to take the leadership of the Supreme. Then it will be the largest perfection, the greatest perfection of life.

Now, Lord Kṛṣṇa says, karmaṇām, karmaṇāṁ siddhim. How in the material world people are working? He is analyzing the process of different occupation. What is that?

cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ
guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ
tasya kartāram api māṁ
viddhy akartāram avyayam
(BG 4.13)

The Lord says that cātur-varṇyam, four castes or four divisions of human society. You have heard that there is caste system in India. There is caste system in India. There is caste system in India. Sometimes Indians are criticized by the outsider that they have caste system. But here the Lord says the cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ: "This caste system is created by Me." "This caste system is created by Me, how?"

Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ: "According to quality and according to work." That division in the human society, according to quality and according to work, is there in everywhere, everywhere in the world—not only everywhere in the world, but everywhere in the universe.

God's creation cannot be stopped. God's creation cannot be stopped. Just like in God's creation there is sun, there is moon, there is seasonal changes. Nobody can stop this. Similarly the cātur-varṇyam, according to quality and karma, that division prevails all over the universe, not only in India but also in your country also. In your country also.

And what are these divisions? Now, what are the guṇa and karma? The guṇa, the quality. There are three qualities. In the material world, there are three qualities—the quality of goodness, the quality of passion and the quality of ignorance. And either human being or animal or demigods or American or Indian, everywhere these qualities are working. So some of them are in the modes or quality of goodness, and some of them are in the quality of passion, and some of them are in the quality of ignorance.

Those who are in the quality of goodness, they are called brāhmins, or the intelligent class of men. In Sanskrit language, because intelligence, intelligence does not mean to know, to have some knowledge of the material things. Intelligence means to know about the spiritual world also. That is intelligence.

Because as you know that I am combination of matter and spirit . . . I am spirit, and I am now entangled in this material body. I am spirit, consciousness. As soon as I am out of this body, I can distinguish or . . . I cannot distinguish, because I will go away. You can distinguish that, "Now this real Swāmījī's spirit is gone, the Swāmījī's material body is here." So it is very plain thing. So therefore we should not only have perfect knowledge of this matter, but we should have perfect knowledge of the spirit also, if you are actually intelligent.

Therefore the brāhmins . . . why they are called brāhmins? Brahma jānāti iti brāhmaṇaḥ. Brahmin, it is English transcription. But real word is brāhmin, brāhmin. And wherefrom this brāhmin word comes? Brahma jānāti iti brāhmaṇaḥ. That means one who knows the spirit, the spiritual. One who has got complete knowledge of the spiritual world, he is called brāhmin.

How one becomes brāhmin? Now you will find distinctly that cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ (BG 4.13); "The four divisions of qualitative divisions is set by Me according to quality and karma." Never said that, "According to birth," you will find. "According to birth," it is not said here. Although in India it is now misrepresentated that a brāhmin's son is trying to designate himself as brāhmin, but according to Bhagavad-gītā, that is not sanctioned. Bhagavad-gītā says, "according to quality."

Now, just like here is a qualified lawyer, Mr. Goldsmith. He is lawyer. Now, because he is lawyer, his son cannot claim that, "Because my father is lawyer, then I am also lawyer." How it can be done? The son also must be qualified lawyer. He must pass the Bachelor of Law degree, examination. Then he can be lawyer. So similarly, here Kṛṣṇa says . . . don't misunderstand the Indian caste system as hereditary. No. It is, according to Vedic literature, it is according to the quality.

And what is that quality? Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ. Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ: "Anyone who takes his birth, by his birth he's a śūdra." Śūdra means the lowest, in the lowest order. Everyone. Even if he is born in the family of a brāhmin, he is to be considered as a śūdra, janmanā, by birth.

And perhaps some of you know that the brāhmins, the kṣatriyas and the vaiśyas, they are called dvija. Dvi means twice, and ja means birth. Twice-born. Twice-born. The bird is also called twice-born. Why? The bird birth is first of all in the egg. The egg is fermented, then the real bird comes out. Therefore bird is called in Sanskrit language also dvija, twice-born.

Similarly, a man, unless he is twice-born, he is a śūdra. Twice-born. How is that twice-born? Because by birth anyone, everyone has got some father and mother, because without father and mother, there is no question of birth. So the beast has also got father and mother, and the bird has also father and mother. Similarly, a human being has also got father and mother. So this birth by father and mother is not sufficient for becoming a dvija. He has to take his birth again.

So janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ. Birth. Birth is not all, everything. The culture, saṁskāra. Saṁskāra means culture. One has to take his birth, rebirth, by culture, by education, by knowledge. That is called cultural birth. So unless one is in the cultural birth, he is to be considered the lower-grade person, or the śūdra.

So therefore the system in the . . . according to varṇāśrama-dharma, that not only by birth—before birth, when the father and mother is going to be combined to beget a child, there are cultural saṁskāra, or reformatory measures. How much carefully these things are. They wanted first-class son. Not sons like cats and dogs—first-class son. So there is some saṁskāra.

There is some purificatory measures, which is called garbhādhāna-saṁskāra. Garbhādhāna means pregnancy, the cultural ceremony before making the mother pregnant. And it is enjoined, you will find in the Bhāgavata, that any family, the brāhmins, the kṣatriyas and vaiśyas, if they give up this garbhādhāna-saṁskāra, I mean to say, birth-giving ceremony, then that family turns immediately to the classification of the śūdras.

So nowadays, at the present moment, this cultural program . . . I am speaking of India and everywhere. There is no such cultural program. That cultural program, that program to beget nice children, the whole program is, we must know, the whole Vedic system is to give the human life the greatest chance of self-realization and get free from these material miseries. That is the whole program. It is not . . . the Vedic culture does not mean that we shall be like cats and dogs, simply eating, sleeping, mating and defending. No. The human society is a systematic program to give everyone the chance of getting free from this material miseries.

Just like every state is supposed to be welfare state. Every citizen of that state should be happy, should be prosperous. There should be no anxiety. I do not know if every state is taking care of the citizens in that way. People are always full of anxieties. They are creating situation that everyone is full of anxiety. This material world is made so that it is full of anxieties. Whoever is in the material world . . . even the bird, you will see, when it is taking some grains, he is also full of anxiety. He is looking like this and that, "Oh, somebody is coming or killing me." So this is the nature.

The human society, human society is so arranged that the people, the members of the human society, should be free from all anxieties. Therefore we require good citizens, good father and mother, good system of government, and pious, virtuous cooperation between God and nature. Everything will be helpful for my spiritual realization, for my self-realization. If I am full of anxiety, how can I make progress in spiritual realization? It is not possible.

Therefore it is the duty of the state, duty of the father, duty of the teacher, duty of the spiritual master to give chance to the small children to develop in such a way that he becomes fully realized spiritual soul at the end, and so that his miserable life in the material existence is over. That is the responsibility.

In Bhāgavata you will see that Ṛṣabhadeva says that "One should not become the spiritual master, one should not become the father, one should not become the mother, one should not become the husband who cannot give relief from these miseries of material existence". It is the husband's duty also. Because the wife is under the protection of the husband, he has got so much responsibility.

Woman class and children class, they are taken in the same category. They require protection. They require protection. That is the Manu-saṁhitā. Na striyaṁ svatantratām arhati. Women should be under the protection. They should be given all protection. So the system of taking . . . just like the Hindu system is . . . just like a girl, before attaining the age of puberty, she is handed over to a suitable boy to take charge before she gets youthful energy.

So this is the system of varṇāśrama-dharma. This is the system. The whole idea is that everyone should be given the chance of being liberated in this very life. No more waiting for again for further . . . another life. Who knows that I am going to be human being again? It may be by freaks of nature I become a cat, a dog, a cow, an animal.

Now we are very much enthusiastic to become good nationals. Suppose I am American, a very good national. Now, after death, suppose that if I become a cow. Then even I am national of this country, oh, I am destined to be sent to the slaughterhouse. You see? So we should not take the risk of next birth. In this life, in this birth, we should make a permanent solution of all miseries. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Let us become Kṛṣṇa conscious in this very life and make a solution.

Now, this cātur-varṇyam, this plan of cātur-varṇyam, Lord says . . . you should always remember that this material creation, whole material creation . . . there are unlimited number of universes and, I mean to say, planets in each universe. In the Brahma-saṁhitā it is stated, yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi. Jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi. Jagad-aṇḍa means this universe, and koṭi means hundred millions. Hundred millions. Not exactly one hundred millions, but numberless.

yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi-
koṭiṣv aśeṣa-vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam
tad brahma niṣkalam anantam aśeṣa-bhūtaṁ
govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
(Bs 5.40)

So this material world is created. It is created for temporary existence. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate (BG 8.19), you will find in the Bhagavad-gītā: "This material manifestation is temporary." May be for millions of years, but it is temporary. And why this temporary material world is created? Just to give the rebelled, I mean to say, living entities who are averse to God consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to give another chance for developing. For developing.

So if we miss this chance, then again, when this material world will be dissolved, oh, we do not know how many millions of years we have to become unconscious. We shall remain in the unconscious, sleeping stage. Then again there will be creation. Then again our body will be created, and . . . so these are very subtle laws. We should not miss. We should be very much serious about this life.

So the whole program is made: cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam (BG 4.13). So by birth one is supposed to be the lowborn. Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ. Śūdra means without any culture. The man who has no cultural life, he is called a śūdra. And those who are cultured, they are called dvija. Dvija means twice-born. So one has to take his birth twice. He should not be satisfied simply by taking birth by the father and mother.

One should be anxious to take his twice-born, to become twice-born, brāhmins. But that chance is . . . don't think that you cannot become a brāhmin. You can become a qualified brāhmin, provided you abide by the qualification of a qualified brāhmin. Just like to become a lawyer it is not, I mean to say, limited to a certain section or to a certain person. Anyone who takes the qualification of a lawyer, he becomes a lawyer.

Similarly, here Lord says, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ: "According to quality and karma, these cātur-varṇya, four classes or four castes or four classes of division of the human society, is created by Me." So brahma jānāti iti brāhmaṇaḥ. If you want to know Brahman . . . because that is the prerogative of your life, human life. Vedānta-sūtra says, athāto brahma jijñāsā. Athāto brahma-jijñāsā; "Oh, here is the chance for inquiring about Brahman." Athāto brahma jijñāsā. Now we should take the chance to become a brāhmin. As soon as we begin to enquire about Brahman or the Supreme Brahman, Kṛṣṇa, then my process of becoming the brāhmin begins.

You know that the brāhmins, the kṣatriyas and the vaiśyas, they have got the sacred thread. You have seen. I have got the sacred thread. This is, of course, not very valuable. It is . . . (chuckles) it is made of cotton. But this is a badge. This badge is given to a person who is twice-born, who is twice-born. So anyone can become twice-born. There is no hindrance. You will find in the Bhagavad-gītā:

māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya
ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ
striyo vaiśyās tathā śūdrās
te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim
(BG 9.32)
kiṁ punar brāhmaṇāḥ puṇyā
bhaktā rājarṣayas tathā
(BG 9.33)
kaunteya pratijānīhi
na me bhaktaḥ praṇaśyati
(BG 9.31)

So it is a chance we should not miss. You can become brāhmin. There is chance. We should not be satisfied that, "I am born in America, so I am great. I am born of a great nation." That's all right. You are born of a great nation, that's all right. But next cultural birth, to become a dvija, twice-born, is awaiting. The Lord Kṛṣṇa says, "Yes. I give chance to any . . . everyone to become dvija." Māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ. Never mind wherever he is born.

Now the human society, everyone thinks that "He is low, I am big." Oh, everyone thinks. In his own consideration he thinks, "I am the biggest. I am the big; he is lower." That is everywhere. But Lord Kṛṣṇa is not considering who is bigger. So He says: "Even who is considering that 'I am lowborn.' " Because if everyone says that I am lowborn, it is propaganda that "You are lowborn. You are lowborn," so I think, "Yes, I am lowborn."

Daśa cakre bhagavān bhūta. Just like there was a clique. There was a brāhmin. His name was Bhagavān. So he had some enemies. So the enemies, ten enemies, they sat down in ten places, and wherever he was passing, "Oh, you have become ghost! You have become ghost!" "Oh, how I have become? I am living. How I have become ghost?" Next post he goes, he also says: "Oh, you have become ghost! You have become ghost!" In this way, when he passes ten posts, he thinks, "Oh, I might be, I have become ghost. Otherwise everyone says I have become ghost." So daśa cakre bhagavān bhūta.

So if everyone says I am lowborn, I am lowborn, so I also think I am lowborn. But I am not lowborn. Ahaṁ brahmāsmi. I am brahmāsmi. I am spirit soul. I am born of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is my father. Take like that. Think like that. That is twice-born. That is twice-born. So Kṛṣṇa says, māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya: "Anyone who takes shelter of Me, never mind what he is . . . never mind he is. He may be lowborn, he may be a śūdra, he may be woman, he may be whatever he may be." Te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim: "He can also go to My kingdom."

So our duty is to become twice-born. Just by culture, by Kṛṣṇa consciousness, let us take another birth. Let us take another birth. Then you will be recognized brāhmin. Brahmā jānāti. As soon as you know Kṛṣṇa, you are brāhmin. Never mind whether you are born in America, Czechoslovakia or any other place. Doesn't matter. So try to become a brāhmin. Here is a chance.

But how to become a brāhmin? Simply by purchasing two-cent-worth this thread and getting on the body? No. There are qualities, karma. You have to act like a brāhmin, and you have to acquire the qualification of a brāhmin. Then you can become a brāhmin. There is no impediment. Never mind wherever you were born. That doesn't matter.

So here is . . . Bhagavad-gītā is giving a chance to everyone to become brāhmin or be qualified person who knows Brahman and who is preparing himself for the next birth in the spiritual kingdom. He is called brāhmin. Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam (BG 4.13).

Now, the Lord says, tasya kartāram api māṁ viddhy akartāram avyayam: "Although I have created this system, still, I am not there." "I am not there." Why? Because Kṛṣṇa is neither brāhmin nor śūdra nor kṣatriya or anything, anything of the material world. He is transcendental. When we go to Kṛṣṇa with spiritual body, we also become like Kṛṣṇa in transcendental body. That chance is given here. So just it is our duty, everyone.

Lord Caitanya, He is Kṛṣṇa Himself. He appeared as a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, but He never said that, "I am Kṛṣṇa." But from Vedic references we understand that He is Kṛṣṇa. But the same mission. The Kṛṣṇa's mission and Lord Caitanya's mission is the same. How it is same? Kṛṣṇa, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He said that, "You surrender unto Me," and Lord Caitanya said, "You surrender unto Kṛṣṇa." The same thing. Lord Caitanya said . . . what is the philosophy of Lord Caitanya? Lord Caitanya says:

ārādhyo bhagavān vrajeśa-tanayas tad-dhāma vṛṇdāvanaṁ
ramya kaścid upāsanā vraja-vadhu-varga-vīrya kalpita
śrīmad-bhāgavatam amalaṁ purāṇaṁ premā pum-artho mahān
śrī-caitanya mahāprabhor matam idaṁ tatradaraḥ na paraḥ
(Caitanya-mañjusā)

The philosophy of Lord Caitanya is that Kṛṣṇa is the only object of worship. And as Kṛṣṇa is object of worship, similarly, His place, Vṛndāvana, Vṛndāvana-dhāma. Those who have visited India, Vṛndāvana-dhāma, still, if you go to Vṛndāvana without knowing about Kṛṣṇa, you will at once feel Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is such a nice place. So that Vṛndāvana-dhāma is also worshiping.

And ramya kaścid upāsanā vraja-vadhu-varga-vīrya kalpita. Now, Kṛṣṇa was worshiped by the damsels of Vrajadhāma. Lord Caitanya recommends, "That is the highest, topmost grade of worship, because that was pure love." The damsels of Vraja loved Kṛṣṇa so much, without any return. That's a sublime thing. So He recommended, "That is the highest form of worship."

Ramya kaścid upāsanā vraja-vadhu-varga-vīrya kalpita, śrīmad-bhāgavatam amalaṁ purāṇam: "As Śrīmad-Bhāgavata is the spotless Vedic literature." Because Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is full of Kṛṣṇa consciousness only. That's all. Just like this Bhagavad-gītā is full of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is the preliminary study of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.

The last word of the Śrīmad-Bhagavad-gītā is that sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66); "You give up everything. You just surrender unto Me," Kṛṣṇa says. One who accepts this philosophy—"I accept Kṛṣṇa as vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ" (BG 7.19)—then for him Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the postgraduate study.

And śrīmad-bhāgavatam amalaṁ purāṇaṁ prema pum-artho mahān. Now, we are searching. We are searching our self-interest. Everyone is busy of his own interest, but they do not know what is real interest. They do not know what is real interest. The real interest is to invoke the dormant love of Kṛṣṇa.

That is my real interest. That dormant love for Kṛṣṇa is there in every one of you. Don't think that because I am born in India, therefore I have got love of Kṛṣṇa within my heart dormant or manifested. No. That dormant love of Kṛṣṇa is within you also. Kṛṣṇa is neither foreign to you or foreign to me. He is for everyone. Therefore love of Kṛṣṇa is there permanently, but it is covered. Simply it has to be invoked.

And what is this process of invoking? This is the process. Just like we are discussing, you are chanting, and you are reading Bhagavad-gītā, we are reading Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. This association will help us. This association will help us to invoke that dormant Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So if we at all want . . .

You will be interested in hearing a story. Not story; it is actual fact. One of my Godbrother who is no longer in this world—his name was Bhaktisāraṅga Goswami—he went to London. Just I have come to your New York, he went to London and he formed a society also there in which Lord Ronaldsay, the Marquis of Zetland . . . he was formerly governor of Bengal during British period, and in our childhood, when we were college student, in boyhood, I saw him. He is very interest in India philosophy. He's a Scotsman but very interested. Lord Ronaldsay. So that Lord Ronaldsay, he was very kind enough to become the president of that society my Godbrother organized in London.

So Lord Ronaldsay and that my Godbrother is talking. So Lord Ronaldsay asked him, "Well, Swāmījī, can you make me a brāhmin?" "Yes, why not? Yes, why not? You can become a brāhmin." "So what are the conditions?" My Godbrother said: "The preliminary four conditions." "What are these conditions?" "Now, striya-sūnā-pāna-dyūta yatra pāpaś catur-vidhāḥ (SB 1.17.38). You cannot have any illicit connection with woman, you cannot have any intoxication habit, you cannot indulge in gambling or unnecessary sporting, and you cannot live on animal food." Lord Ronaldsay replied, "It is impossible. It is impossible." (laughs)

So these things, these four principles, preliminary, if we actually want to be a brāhmin, then we have to take care of these four principles of life just to become a brāhmin. Yes. Then everyone can become a brāhmin. There is no bar. And whoever becomes a brāhmin, he knows what is Brahman. And Kṛṣṇa is Parambrahman. Parambrahman. You'll find in the Tenth Chapter, He is addressed by Arjuna, paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān (BG 10.12); "By studying Bhagavad-gītā I now understand that Kṛṣṇa, You are Parambrahman." Paraṁ dhāma: "You are the shelter of everyone." So He is Parambrahman.

So anyone who becomes a brāhmin, he first of all knows what is Brahman—brahma-jijñāsā—the Supreme, the Absolute Truth. And the Absolute . . . one who knows Absolute Truth and enters into further, postgraduate study, he understands Kṛṣṇa. And as soon as he understands Kṛṣṇa, then his next life in the spiritual world is guaranteed.

So this is the process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is the simple process introduced by Lord Kṛṣṇa . . . er, Lord Caitanya. Lord Caitanya also supported this philosophy of Kṛṣṇa, that anyone is eligible for going back to the kingdom of Kṛṣṇa. This simple process. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. We have discussed that simply by knowing the transcendental nature of Kṛṣṇa, we become eligible for entering into His kingdom. Simply by knowing. So try to know. Try to study what is Kṛṣṇa. And do you know what is the recommendation of Caitanya Mahāprabhu? Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He said that:

kibā śūdra kibā vipra nyāsī kene naya
yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā sei guru haya
(CC Madhya 8.128)

That means, "It doesn't matter whether he is a householder or a svāmī, renounced order, or a brāhmin or a śūdra or a lowborn, whatever he is. That doesn't matter. If he knows the science of Kṛṣṇa, he is a bona fide spiritual master. If he simply knows the science of Kṛṣṇa." This is cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma (BG 4.13). It is the quality.

Just like if I go to a medical man or a lawyer, we go there for his qualification. We don't ask him, "Well, sir, are you Christian? Are you Jew or Indian or American or a brāhmin?" No. We are concerned with the qualification. It doesn't matter what he is. He may be an American, he may be an Indian, he may be Christian, he may be Jew, he may be Hindu or Muhammadan. Doesn't matter. He's a practiced medical practitioner, so he's a qualified man. I have gone there for my treatment.

Similarly, Lord Caitanya also says the same thing, and Kṛṣṇa also says the same thing. Never it is He is stressing on birth. Birth is no consideration. Nobody is responsible for his birth. He may be lowborn, but what is that? Or he may be highborn. That doesn't matter. But when he comes out from the womb of the mother, he has got his own responsibility. He has to advance his cultural life in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is his responsibility. That is his responsibility. Of course, father, mother, state, teacher, friend, they can help us, but ultimately, the responsibility lies with me.

If I want to enter into the kingdom of God, or Kṛṣṇa, if we want to be Kṛṣṇa consciousness, there is no impediment. There is no impediment. Ahaituky apratihatā (SB 1.2.6). In the Bhāgavata says that if one wants to cultivate the Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is without any cause and without any impediment. Because it is transcendental subject matter. It does not depend on any material condition. On any material condition. There is no consideration of material impediment. So it is open for everyone. Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam (BG 4.13).

That is a chance given, that you can become a brāhmin, you can become a great devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, and you can become the spiritual master of the world. That is the . . . and I think you should take seriously. I am old man. If you, some of you at least, understand this science and take up this science, you become future hope of the . . . this country or the world. That is my request to you, that you should take this chance and become a spiritual master for all the people.

Thank you very much. Now let us have some question if you want. (end)