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Yogeśvara: She's asking... This is a French nun, and she wishes to know whether for us Christ is the son of God or is He God Himself or what is the identity of Lord Jesus Christ?
 
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(Conversation with French Nun)
 
Yogeśvara: She's asking . . . this is a French nun, and she wishes to know whether for us Christ is the son of God or is He God Himself, or what is the identity of Lord Jesus Christ?


Prabhupāda: Yes. Jesus Christ says that he's son of God. That's all right. We accept.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Jesus Christ says that he's son of God. That's all right. We accept.


Yogeśvara: (translates French throughout) [break]
(Yogeśvara translates French throughout) (break)


Prabhupāda: ...ordinary son. And he's powerful son.
Prabhupāda: . . . ordinary son. And he's powerful son. (break)


Yogeśvara: ...question. She asks what is the difference between our understanding of reincarnation and the Christian concept of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Christ said he would come again. Is there a difference? Is it the same thing?
Yogeśvara: . . . question. She asks what is the difference between our understanding of reincarnation and the Christian concept of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Christ said he would come again. Is there a difference? Is it the same thing?


Prabhupāda: I don't find anything.
Prabhupāda: I don't find anything.


Yogeśvara: There was this gentleman this afternoon who was asking you about people who are constantly, constantly being tested by all kinds of miserable circumstances. She asks: Is it not a sign of a soul that God has chosen to favor that he sends them such miserable conditions of material life?
Yogeśvara: There was this gentleman this afternoon who was asking you about people who are constantly . . . constantly being tested by all kinds of miserable circumstances. She asks: Is it not a sign of a soul that God has chosen to favor that he sends them such miserable conditions of material life?


Prabhupāda: Yes. Devotee, in miserable condition, they accept it as a favor of God. [break] ...in the Bhāgavata:  
Prabhupāda: Yes. Devotee, in miserable condition, they accept it as a favor of God. (break) . . . in the ''Bhāgavata'':


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:''tat te 'nukampāṁ susamīkṣamāṇo''
tat te 'nukampāṁ susamīkṣamāṇo<br />
:''bhuñjāna evātma-kṛtaṁ vipākam''
bhuñjāna evātma-kṛtaṁ vipākam<br />
:''hṛd-vāg-vapurbhir vidadhan namas te''
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We are put sometimes in difficult position. But a devotee takes the difficult position as mercy of God.
We are put sometimes in difficult position. But a devotee takes the difficult position as mercy of God. (break)


Yogeśvara: She, she asks you for an explanation of an event that happened to her sister. Her sister died at the age of five and a half years. And just before her death she apparently was able to explain some of her past lifetimes to her mother, that she had formerly been a princess or of noble birth and that now she was being called. Is there some explanation for that?
Yogeśvara: She, she asks you for an explanation of an event that happened to her sister. Her sister died at the age of five and a half years. And just before her death, she apparently was able to explain some of her past lifetimes to her mother, that she had formerly been a princess or of noble birth, and that now she was being called. Is there some explanation for that?


Prabhupāda: Yes, she remembers of her last birth. That is quite possible. Because we are changing body. So one who can remember about his past life, they are called jāta-smaraṇa.  
Prabhupāda: Yes. She remembers of her last birth. That is quite possible. Because we are changing body. So one who can remember about his past life, they are called ''jāta-smaraṇa''.


Yogeśvara: Jāta-smaraṇa?  
Yogeśvara: ''Jāta-smaraṇa''?


Prabhupāda: One who can remember about his past life. [break] ...means forgetting everything of the past life. [break] ...times a person remembers.
Prabhupāda: One who can remember about his past life. (break) . . . means forgetting everything of the past life. (break) . . . times a person remembers. (break)


Yogeśvara: She asks for a definition of the word "occult." What is something that is occult, something occult or mystic? What is it?
Yogeśvara: She asks for a definition of the word "occult." What is something that is occult, something occult, or mystic? What is it?


Prabhupāda: Mystic?
Prabhupāda: Mystic?
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Yogeśvara: Mystic. What is mysticism?
Yogeśvara: Mystic. What is mysticism?


Prabhupāda: I do not say anything on mysticism. Mystic, something. It is called rahasya.  
Prabhupāda: I do not say anything on mysticism. Mystic, something, it is called ''rahasya''.
 
Yogeśvara: ''Rahasya''?
 
Prabhupāda: ''Rahasya''. Something wonderful. Is that meaning, mystic?
 
Indian man: Mystic . . . I mean. I think when Western historians and literators explain Indian religious literature, especially literature of ''bhakti-mārga'', they term that those are the mystics, and also they term the Sufi poets are mystics. (break)


Yogeśvara: Rahasya?
Prabhupāda: . . . say mystic means ''rahasya''.


Prabhupāda: Rahasya. Something wonderful. Is that meaning? Mystic
Yogeśvara: ''Rahasya''.


Indian Man: Mystic... I mean. I think when Western historians and literators explain Indian religious literature, especially literature of bhakti-mārga, they term that those are the mystics and also they term the Sufi poets are mystics. [break]
Prabhupāda: ''Rahasya'' means it is little difficult to understand. (break)


Prabhupāda: ...say mystic means rahasya.
French Nun: (French) (break)


Yogeśvara: Rahasya.  
Prabhupāda: Just like Kṛṣṇa says in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''rahasyam, rahasyam etad uttamam. Rahasyam etad uttamam.'' This ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is the first-class mystic. ''Rahasyam etad uttamaṁ, bhakto 'si me priyo 'si me'' ([[BG 4.3 (1972)|BG 4.3]]): "Because you are My devotee, you are My dear friend, you'll understand."


Prabhupāda: Rahasya means it is little difficult to understand. [break] Just like Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā: rahasyam, rahasyam etad uttamam. Rahasyam etad uttamam. This Bhagavad-gītā is the first-class mystic. Rahasyam etad uttamaṁ bhakto 'si me priyo 'si me [[BG 4.3]] . "Because you are My devotee, you are My dear friend, you'll understand." So mysticism is not understandable by common man. It requires a special qualification. Just like to understand. It is also mysticism. Understand, to understand God. This is also mystic. It is not understandable by ordinary man. (end)
So mysticism is not understandable by common man. It requires a special qualification. Just like to understand, it is also mysticism—understand, to understand God. This is also mystic. It is not understandable by ordinary man.


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His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada



730813R4-PARIS - August 13, 1973 - 05:05 Minutes



(Conversation with French Nun)

Yogeśvara: She's asking . . . this is a French nun, and she wishes to know whether for us Christ is the son of God or is He God Himself, or what is the identity of Lord Jesus Christ?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Jesus Christ says that he's son of God. That's all right. We accept.

(Yogeśvara translates French throughout) (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . ordinary son. And he's powerful son. (break)

Yogeśvara: . . . question. She asks what is the difference between our understanding of reincarnation and the Christian concept of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Christ said he would come again. Is there a difference? Is it the same thing?

Prabhupāda: I don't find anything.

Yogeśvara: There was this gentleman this afternoon who was asking you about people who are constantly . . . constantly being tested by all kinds of miserable circumstances. She asks: Is it not a sign of a soul that God has chosen to favor that he sends them such miserable conditions of material life?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Devotee, in miserable condition, they accept it as a favor of God. (break) . . . in the Bhāgavata:

tat te 'nukampāṁ susamīkṣamāṇo
bhuñjāna evātma-kṛtaṁ vipākam
hṛd-vāg-vapurbhir vidadhan namas te
jīveta yo mukti-pade sa dāya-bhāk
(SB 10.14.8)

We are put sometimes in difficult position. But a devotee takes the difficult position as mercy of God. (break)

Yogeśvara: She, she asks you for an explanation of an event that happened to her sister. Her sister died at the age of five and a half years. And just before her death, she apparently was able to explain some of her past lifetimes to her mother, that she had formerly been a princess or of noble birth, and that now she was being called. Is there some explanation for that?

Prabhupāda: Yes. She remembers of her last birth. That is quite possible. Because we are changing body. So one who can remember about his past life, they are called jāta-smaraṇa.

Yogeśvara: Jāta-smaraṇa?

Prabhupāda: One who can remember about his past life. (break) . . . means forgetting everything of the past life. (break) . . . times a person remembers. (break)

Yogeśvara: She asks for a definition of the word "occult." What is something that is occult, something occult, or mystic? What is it?

Prabhupāda: Mystic?

Yogeśvara: Mystic. What is mysticism?

Prabhupāda: I do not say anything on mysticism. Mystic, something, it is called rahasya.

Yogeśvara: Rahasya?

Prabhupāda: Rahasya. Something wonderful. Is that meaning, mystic?

Indian man: Mystic . . . I mean. I think when Western historians and literators explain Indian religious literature, especially literature of bhakti-mārga, they term that those are the mystics, and also they term the Sufi poets are mystics. (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . say mystic means rahasya.

Yogeśvara: Rahasya.

Prabhupāda: Rahasya means it is little difficult to understand. (break)

French Nun: (French) (break)

Prabhupāda: Just like Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, rahasyam, rahasyam etad uttamam. Rahasyam etad uttamam. This Bhagavad-gītā is the first-class mystic. Rahasyam etad uttamaṁ, bhakto 'si me priyo 'si me (BG 4.3): "Because you are My devotee, you are My dear friend, you'll understand."

So mysticism is not understandable by common man. It requires a special qualification. Just like to understand, it is also mysticism—understand, to understand God. This is also mystic. It is not understandable by ordinary man.

Yogeśvara: (French) (end)