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701211 - Conversation - Indore

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

701211SP.IND - December 11, 1970

Prabhupāda: Yes, I am trying to send this girl to Russia, Moscow, to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Yamunā: But I think it is very dangerous.

Prabhupāda: Not . . . I don't . . . we got a invitation from Czechoslovakia. That is also Communist country, but there the people invited us to open a center.

Yamunā: The Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra was number one in Czechoslovakia. We have one record. I just chant Hare Kṛṣṇa over and over, the mahā-mantra, and in that country it was the most popular of all records.

Prabhupāda: In Germany also. We sold fifty thousand records in Germany. And there is another record, govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi. That is also selling very nicely. And recently another record you produced? What is that?

Yamunā: Yes, that will be a long-playing record, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Its name is Bhaja Hūre Mana, Mana Hū Re.

Prabhupāda: Ah, bhaja hūre mana, śrī nanda-nandana, abhaya-caraṇāravinda re.

Yamunā: And saṁsāra prayers, vande 'ham prayers.

Prabhupāda: So that is not yet out?

Yamunā: Well, from what I understood, Mr. Harrison wants to get it out before Christmas, but I have not heard from Śyāmasundara what has developed.

Prabhupāda: There is one boy, George Harrison. Perhaps you know his name. He is one of the Beatles.

Indian man (2): Harrison, yes.

Prabhupāda: Harrison, yes. He paid me nineteen thousand dollars for my publication work, and he is a very good boy. And he is helping in pushing on our record. He is very popular.

Indian man (2): Very popular.

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. And he has got to sing with him. Yes. (break) . . . in London I was guest in one of the Beatles' palace. They have got each one a big, big palace. So we shall all take leave, Mahārāja. Thank you. (break)

Yamunā: . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: She likes our movement.

Yamunā: Well, she had to.

Prabhupāda: (laughs) And she has seen that house also.

Yamunā: She knows that we're something

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Haṁsadūta: Eight to nine we have engagement.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Haṁsadūta: Tonight we have another engagement, eight to nine.

Prabhupāda: That's nice. So give me cold water. She is countrywoman. She is also American.

Yamunā: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Wherefrom she is coming? Where father's . . . father's house, this?

Yamunā: . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: That's all right. So Muktānanda, how are you feeling? You are feeling all right?

Muktānanda: Yes.

Prabhupāda: So give him kanṭī. Purchase kanṭī from the market. (japa) If that kind of mṛdaṅga can be purchased, you find out. That's very nice.

Revatīnandana: They have to be brought from Calcutta.

Prabhupāda: No, the mṛdaṅga which you played.

Revatīnandana: Yes, I know.

Prabhupāda: They're from Calcutta?

Revatīnandana: That's what it says.

Haṁsadūta: It's a very nice drum.

Prabhupāda: Calcutta, there are many good manufacturers of musical instruments. Bengal is famous for music and hair.

Girl: And hair.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Haṁsadūta: Hair?

Prabhupāda: There is oil in. Bengali women, they have got hair like this. My sister had so bunch. (laughter) Black hair, and very long. So Bengal is famous for hair and music.

Devotee: Swāmījī . . .

Prabhupāda: Ah, no. This is for distribution of prasāda here. (break) . . . hungry, hungry man. And Kṛṣṇa consciousness man, never he is hungry. If you are hungry, come, enjoy. We are never hungry. We are overfed.

Yamunā: Yes. It's a fact.

Prabhupāda: We have to fast practically by feeding others. (laughter) You are after food, we are rejecting food. Is it not?

Haṁsadūta: Yes. We're having trouble avoiding it.

Revatīnandana: We're trying to reject it.

Haṁsadūta: I think all of us had thought when you called us to India, "Now we will have to starve." So we came, and there is so much to eat.

Revatīnandana: When we left New York City, the last Sunday, Ṛṣi-kumāra cooked a tremendous feast. So we ate until we couldn't move, 'cause we thought it was our last feast. We thought there'd never be any more prasādam. (laughter) Now we have to . . .

Prabhupāda: There was a famine in India in 1942, big famine. I particularly inquired among the disciples of my Guru Mahārāja, and even the remote village, they said that, "We have no difficulty." No. And another, there was a havoc, earthquake, in Bihar sometime in 1933 or that . . . and one of our Godbrother, Mr. Munshi Chatterjee, when he heard that quarter is completely demolished, so he was in the office.

He was thinking, "What shall I do by going home? There is no more home. Everything is . . ." Then he said: "Let me go and see." And when he came there, only his house was left. Only his house. All house dismantled. The only. Kaunteya pratijānīhi na me bhaktaḥ praṇaśyati (BG 9.31). That we have seen in many instances. Kṛṣṇa-bhakta is never vanquished.

Devotee: Yes. We were thinking that he was getting special protection from the Lord.

Prabhupāda: That is a fact. So be sincere, do your duty. You will never be in trouble. Never.

Himāvatī: All the members of this family are attracted to you, Prabhupāda. They are becoming more and more attracted every day.

Prabhupāda: But some of them are very envious that I went there with forty rupees, and I got so many boys and girls, children, they become envious. Profitable. They began to say: "Oh, it is profitable business." Is it not? So I said: "All right, I leave your country." If the Kṛṣṇa is there, I can make profit anywhere. All right. So you have to wait?

Haṁsadūta: They should come any minute.

Prabhupāda: So all our men are ready?

Haṁsadūta: We're all ready.

Prabhupāda: Four, six, eight, nine. Gopāla is sick? Just see how he is.

Devotee: He has a strong fever today.

Prabhupāda: Oh, then taking rest completely. Come on. Where the box are?

Haṁsadūta: I haven't prepared it.

Prabhupāda: You should prepare.

Haṁsadūta: They have to be at least three or four . . .

Himāvatī: Reinforce the handle so it's stronger.

Prabhupāda: You do one thing. Have you got rope?

Himāvatī: Rope? Yes.

Prabhupāda: Bring it. And do . . .

Haṁsadūta: Bring it?

Prabhupāda: Yes, rope.

Haṁsadūta: You mean put a . . . yes, I'll be able to that.

Prabhupāda: This palace is nice.

Himāvatī: Yes. Run down, though. I noticed that the upholstery was torn.

Prabhupāda: It is very old.

Haṁsadūta: That knife, Prabhupāda? You have that knife?

Prabhupāda: Yes. You can give to anyone in this way. Aiye . . . (indistinct Hindi)


Prabhupāda: These are not legends, they are fact. Those who are not intelligent, they take it as legend. There are so many descriptions which is not within our experience—we take it as legend. Now, I gave some gentleman the example that the coconut tree. On the tree there are coconut and there are one-kilo water. Now, how the water is transported there? Where is the pipe? Where is the pumping? Because you have got experience, if you want to get water high, you have to pump and you must have pipe. So where is the pipe and where is the pumping machine?

Indian man (1): In the tree.

Prabhupāda: So as you see, actually it is packed up nice, two pounds of water, very nice . . . and so nicely packed. How it has happened? What is the explanation of the scientists? According to their calculation, there must be pipe. There must be pumping. Somebody must be pumping. Where are all these? Then is it legend? It is fact. Now you explain how it is happening. If you are scientist, you explain how it is happening. Or you do that. Simply observation will not do. You must make experiment. You make a log standing like that, keep anything, and the . . . it . . . water must go.

Indian man (1): Keep the water there . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Indian man (1): . . . and distill it.

Prabhupāda: Distill it. (laughter) Then your science will be all right. And where is that, your . . .? Then what is the value of your science? If you cannot explain which is within your experience and you set aside, "Oh, it is all legend, it is all foolishness . . ." You have no knowledge about that. You admit that. How it is done, you cannot do it, or you have not attained to that standard of knowledge. You say that. Don't say it is legend. That is foolishness. You admit your weakness. If you are as equal, equal in intelligence, then explain how this water is being . . .

Indian man (1): I had one discussion. So I was given to understand that the pressure in the earth sends.

Prabhupāda: That's all right. You do it practically. Show. (laughter) No explanation will do.

Indian man (1): Only when a living thing goes into the earth, just like trees, then, only then, that thing can happen.

Prabhupāda: So why don't you make a living thing like that?

Indian man (1): The thing was made . . . that is nature.

Prabhupāda: Then the nature is more intelligent than you. So then there are many intelligent works of nature. You do not know.

Indian man (1): What is in the stars is also nature.

Prabhupāda: So you have no full knowledge of nature. That's it. Then you cannot claim that you are perfect, your knowledge is perfect.

Indian man (1): This example is very interesting, coconut tree.

Prabhupāda: Yes. There are so many things. So many things. But there is explanation in the Vedas: parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate svābhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca (Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, CC Madhya 13.65, purport). The energy of Kṛṣṇa is working so wonderfully that it appears that exactly it is done by expert person. Now, take a flower, this flower. How nicely it is painted.

Indian man (1): Comes out of a green thing, red.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Just see. And how perfectly it is made, coloring. The most beautiful. Nobody can suggest that further coloring this way would have been better. No. This is parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate svābhāvikī. Automatically it is done. Automatically.

Indian man (1): And seasonal.

Prabhupāda: Seasonal.

Indian man (1): In one season the same thing will be done all the places.

Prabhupāda: All the place. In the season in millions of trees, immediately the same flower is coming out.

Indian man (1): What will bloom in summer . . .

Prabhupāda: So many things, there is no explanation. They cannot simply say . . . bogus, humbug things they can present, but there is no clear explanation. Even in our body. Now, these hairs are coming out, and what is the explanation of these rascals? These hairs are coming. You're cutting, and coming. Your energy. You do not know your energy, even, what is that energy by which the hair is coming. It is from your body. That means it is your energy. The energy is within you. You do not know how many hairs are there, although it is put in by your . . .

Indian man (1): Thousands, thousands of . . . (laughter)

Prabhupāda: This is . . . Abodha-jāta. Therefore a living entity is called abodha-jāta, "born ignorant, born rascal, born foolish." Abodha-jāta.

Indian man (1): Abodha-jāta.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Abodha means no knowledge, and jāta means born. By birth he is fool, and he is claiming, "I am God." By birth he's a fool, and he's claiming, "I am God." Just see. This is illusion. This is the māyā. He cannot . . . he does not know how the hairs are growing, and he is God. Just see. "I am God." This has become a fashion, dangerous fashion. And these Māyāvādī philosophers, daridra-nārāyaṇa, this Nārāyaṇa, that Nārāyaṇa . . .

Because Nārāyaṇa is there, therefore he's Nārāyaṇa. Because you are within your coat, therefore you are coat. This is their argument. Because I am in the room, I am room. Is that very sound argument? Because Nārāyaṇa is there, therefore he is Nārāyaṇa. Aiye.

(break) Mahārāja. (indistinct Hindi) Jaya. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (indistinct Hindi) (end)