701214 - Conversation B - Indore

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His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada



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701214R2-INDORE - December 14, 1970 - 14:52 Minutes



Prabhupāda: (to Indian man) Where is your son? (Hindi: Those who are nirvisheshavaadi, they say that God has been everywhere . . . (indistinct) . . .) This is material conception. (Hindi: Just like we are sitting in a room, then we are not in another place, we are here only . . . God is not like that. What does he do? Staying just in his own place . . . (indistinct) . . . So Mayavadis have the illusion that if God is everywhere then where is his body . . . that's why they become nirvisheshavadi, impersonalist. When God is everywhere he is aware just like . . . (indistinct) . . . When you break that into pieces and throw it then there is that original form which doesn't stay anymore) This is material concept. Vedic conception . . . (sanskrit verse) . . . (indistinct) . . . (Hindi: Even if God has so many expansions . . . (indistinct) . . . There is a lot of visnu-tattva incarnations and also many different kinds of jiva incarnations. Even though this is happening a lot . . . (sanskrit) . . . God stays purified . . . (indistinct) . . . Though we must explain it to you . . . (indistinct) . . . That's what I also want. In the beginning everyone used to become kings only doing sat-sanga . . . (indistinct) . . . When kings left sat-sanga . . . (indistinct) . . . otherwise kings are God's . . . (indistinct) . . . that's what is called Nar-narayana. Naradeva . . . The king's name is Naradeva . . . (indistinct) . . . Nararupa to God. King has . . . (indistinct) . . . (sanskrit) . . . After anything happens . . . When dharma falls down then adharma increases. Just like what is happening these days . . . (indistinct) . . . So our Krsna is the only adorable thing and thats's what we are teaching all over the world. Just look at these people, they have accepted and sadhana is no more difficult for them in this age of kali. Just keep on chanting. Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare . . . (indistinct)

There is one thing . . . there is one foolish and there is a criminal. So these people were foolish but not criminal . . . (indistinct) . . . is criminal. Nothing happens to him. He is anyways already a fool and a criminal too . . . (indistinct) . . . He says, why God alone became Krsna? . . . there is . . . (indistinct) . . . Shiva, there is Brahma, Durga, Ganesh . . . they make everyone to stand for competition . . . (indistinct) . . . In most cases there is Krsna . . . (indistinct) . . . No No No . . . This is offense . . . (sanskrit) . . . With Lord Narayana there is big big . . . (indistinct) . . . God says that, who . . . (sanskrit) . . . There is no one bigger than Me or equal to Me. God has a position that there is no one bigger than Him or equal to Him. If someone thinks himself to be equal to God that is an offense. It's just like you and your servant. So if I say to the servant, think yourself to be equal to your Master. So are you offended or not? . . . (indistinct) . . . our servant says that he is equal to me . . . (indistinct) . . . that become offense. That's why I tell . . . (indistinct)

One is he thinks the demigods are equal to God then he calls himself to be God . . . (indistinct) . . . Weekly God's incarnations come out . . . (indistinct) . . . God didn't take any respect . . . not before, now only it has been discussed. And whatever he had . . . He doesn't know much . . . They only know in the name of Christian, there is only one God and that is Lord Krsna . . . (indistinct) . . .`Did you understand ? He didn't have any offense . . . (indistinct) . . . he would not listen even if we say to him. Whatever he has understood . . . (indistinct) . . . God says . . . (sanskrit) . . . (indistinct) . . . Will eat everything and do everything and do meditation . . . what meditation will you do? And look at him . . .just like what has been told in sastra . . . I told him, he has to follow and then work will be done quickly. Whoever will follow rightly . . . (sanskrit) . . . leaving it like how it is there . . . (indistinct) . . . Like this it has been in the Bhagavad Gita . . . (sanskrit) . . . these are very difficult . . . (indistinct) . . . If two or four people could become pure vaisnavas then the preaching could be successful . . . (indistinct) . . . then there is no outcome. So this preaching is going on. . . . (indistinct) . . . It need 12000 rupees for one person . . . by plane . . . (indistinct) . . . So we forty people came . . . (indistinct) . . . When exchanging 1200 dollars in the bank it becomes 4 lakhs rupees and when exchanging it in the market, it becomes 5 lakhs . . . (indistinct) . . . so please look at the books . . . (indistinct) . . . that's why . . . (indistinct) . . . So you are going to become life member . . . (indistinct) . . . okay.)

Indian man: (indistinct) . . . (to Yamuna) You understand it?

Yamuna: You're talking about the books? They translate them in English?

Indian man: Yes. They have got them all in Hindi. So they can read them. Why bother to read the translation?

Prabhupāda: It is not bothering for reading. It is helping the institution. We have not come to bother you with the books. But we have come to your door for begging something to support this institution.

Indian man: . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Working that way, we require money. So (Hindi: So if people do not give in India then . . .) How you can expect? (Hindi: . . . (indistinct) . . . to preach krsna conscious movement these people have spent crores of rupees and if you people don't step forward for this big work then what sympathy is there.) I would have liked that you would have introduced another four members. Because you are influential. So anyway, I . . . at least one member, as you have selected. So you can become. (Hindi: First of all, how many of our many people can donate? Otherwise, that question doesn't arise. If now the donation is stopped then what to have for prasadam, that's what we think. That’s why it is said in Bhagavad Gita . . . (sanskrit) . . . (indistinct) . . . Just like there is rsi-muni for them it is tap, for grhastha it is dan and for kings it is yajna . . . (indistinct) . . . then it will work. If King leaves yajna, grhastha leaves dan and sadhu sannyasi leaves tapsya the what will remain. That's why in the role of renunciation these four things should not be given up.) (break) (end)