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720229 - Lecture Festival Gaura-Purnima - Mayapur

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His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

720229GP-MAYAPUR - February 29, 1972 - 63:09 Minutes

(Bengali after 18.43)

Prabhupāda: . . . commit any sinful activities, that is required. So far his past activities that is excused during the time of initiation as soon as he chants—but one should not commit again. This is very important point, not that I am a great chanter of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra therefore let me do all kinds of nonsense. No, no, one should be very much careful so, apavitraḥ pavitro vā sarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ (Garuḍa Purāṇa). This is Kṛṣṇa, the name Kṛṣṇa is identical with Kṛṣṇa,

nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaś
pūrṇaḥśuddho nitya-mukto
'bhinnatvān nāma-nāminoḥ
(CC Madhya 17.133)

The name of Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa: non-different. The name of Kṛṣṇa is as pure, as complete, as spiritual as Kṛṣṇa. Abhinna-tvārnm—there is no difference between name and the Lord, in the material world, relative world, there is difference between the substance and the name. But in the spiritual world there is no such difference everything is spiritual. So this transcendental Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is not a sound production of this material world.

It is the transcendental vibration from the spiritual world, golokera prema-dhana, hari-nāma-saṅkīrtana. Golokera prema-dhana, this hari-nāma-saṅkīrtana is not a man-made musical sound. No. Golokera prema-dhana, this is the song to develop love of God and it is descended as Kṛṣṇa descends, avatārān. Avatāra, similarly the sound has descended so there is no difference between Kṛṣṇa and His name. If we chant carefully without any offence then our life is successful. This is the meaning of this verse:

namo apavitraḥ pavitro vā
sarvāvasthāṁ gato ‘pi vā
yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ
sa bahyābhyantaraḥśuciḥ

Bahya means—external; and abhyantaram—internal; both ways, one should always keep purified, cleansed, bahyābhyantaraḥ. Bahya means—externally; so we should take regular bath three times with soap, oil or even if one cannot get soap. Then ordinary dirt he can smear over the body and become fresh. Cleanse the teeth, cleanse hands, legs, no nails, these are the cleanliness. "Cleanliness is next to godliness," unless you cleanse yourself outwardly externally, you cannot be purified internally. And internally purified means always chanting, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, so keep yourself always cleansed bahyābhyantaram. Then gradually you will be completely purified.

How it is possible? This material body how it can become purified? Yes it can be, the example is just like you take an iron rod and put it in the fire and get it warm, it becomes warm, warm, warmer and at last it becomes red hot. At that time it is no longer iron rod, it is fire. You touch anywhere it will burn, similarly if you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra regularly according to the principles then gradually the your whole body becomes spiritualised. Then it is apāpa-vidham no more sin. So you have to make your life completely pure then you will be admitted into the kingdom of God, back to Godhead, back to home. Thank you very much.

Devotee: All glories to . . .

Brahmānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda. The 10 offences.

Prabhupāda: Now you just hear the 10 kinds of offences. Read it.

Brahmānanda: Yes. There are 10 kind of (break)

The offences are as follows:

To blaspheme the devotees who have dedicated their lives for propagating the holy name of the Lord.

To consider the names of demigods like Lord Śiva or Lord Brahmā to be equal to or independent of the name of Lord Viṣṇu. Sometimes the atheistic class of men take it that any demigod is as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Viṣṇu. But one who is a devotee knows that no demigod however great he may be, is independently as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore somebody thinks that he can chant "Kālī, Kālī!" or "Durgā, Durgā!" and it is the same as Hare Kṛṣṇa, that is the greatest offense.

To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.

To blaspheme the Vedic literature or literature in pursuance of the Vedic version.

To consider the glories of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa to be imagination.

To interpret the holy name of the Lord.

To commit sinful activities on the strength of the holy name of the Lord. Because by chanting the holy name of the Lord one can be freed from all kinds of sinful reactions. It should not be taken that one may continue to act sinfully and after that chant Hare Kṛṣṇa to neutralize his sins. Such a mentality is very dangerous offense and should be avoided.

To consider the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa to be one of the auspicious ritualistic activities which are offered in the Vedas as fruitive activities karma-kāṇḍa.

To instruct the faithless person about the glories of the holy name. Anyone can take part in chanting the holy name of the Lord, but in the beginning one should not be instructed about the transcendental potency of the Lord. Those who are too sinful cannot appreciate the transcendental glories of the Lord and therefore it is better in the beginning not to instruct them in this matter.

To not have complete faith in the chanting of the holy names and to maintain material attachments even after understanding so many instructions on this matter. Every devotee who claims to be a Vaiṣṇava must guard against these offences in order to quickly achieve the desired success.

Prabhupāda: (Bengali: So, now will that happen before.)

Devotee: Hmm hmm.

Guest speaker (1): (Bengali: My dear Godbrother, filled with wonder and astonishment, the revealer of opulence, the revealer of the Dhama, the revealer of the Lord of the Dhama and the fulfiller of the desire of the Lord of the Dhama, Sripad Swami Maharaj, his activities are appearing to me to be very exemplary.

My worshipable Lord, Om Vishnupad Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Goswami Thakur, time and again used to talk about western countries. And in those countries may the words of Gaura Sundara be preached extensively, this used to be repeatedly come up from the very innermost chamber of his heart, and he used to talk to us about this. For this purpose he had sent preachers there from the Gaudiya Mission, twice. Some preaching did happen because of that. But factually the heart's desire of my Gurudeva still remained unfulfilled.

The complete fulfillment of his desire didn't happen. Why? The words of Gaura Sundara, that in every town and village my names will be chanted. He has this desire that Gaura Sundara's own wish that His auspicious name, giver of the real welfare, good fortune, bliss for all living entities. The giver of the highest desirable object, that holy name. If can be distributed everywhere, then all the living entities will be bestowed with the highest welfare activity. Only for this reason He expressed the desire to spread His name everywhere.

My Gurupad Om Vishnupad Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Thakur wanted to fulfill that desire. To some extent his desire was fulfilled during his manifested pastime, but majority of the job remained pending. Now I am witnessing that the heartfelt desire of my Gurupad, is being fulfilled in a grander scale. The lifestyle and habits of the westerners, those preachers who had gone earlier had mentioned that it is impossible to transform them, I had the opportunity to go to hear such words. But that impossible task has been made possible by Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaa by the mercy and blessings of Prabhupada (BSST) and Bhaktivinoda Thakura, that is what I am feeling.

Therefore Bhaktivedanta Thakura sang when that day will come when the fair coloured and dark coloured people will jubilantly engage in the nama sankirtana of Gaura, when will that day come.This was also the desire of Bhaktivinoda Thakura, that the fair coloured and dark coloured people together will preach the teachings of Gaura Sundara and His name, abode and pastimes. Now I can very confidently assume that this desire of his is also getting fulfilled.

This is making Bhaktivinoda Thakura very happy as Swami Maharaj is doing his desired job and he is bestowing unlimited blessings unto him. As a result, we can understand that an old person like him, who is about to turn 80, the type of activities he is undertaking, travelling extensively at various places and the printing and distribution of literatures. The book which is described as the topmost in the hindu scripture's and sanatana dharma Vedas, Vedanta, Upanishad, the commentary of that Srimad Bhagabatam, that Srimad Bhagabatam which Mahaprabhu told to preach. Now I can see that the preaching of Srimad Bhagabatam in the western countries is happening very nicely. Everyday books are being sold to the tune of rupees 25000.

The writings on Krishna's wonderful qualities, pastimes, narrations, these they are reading and became very eager to know. People from all over the world, western world, they heard that the Indian philosophy is the highest but when they come forward to know more, they couldn't do so. There was such a situation in India. But now I am seeing that there is a great opportunity to know about Krishna.

A great opportunity has come for them to know about Gaura Sundara. Why? Because Maharaja have translated Sri Chaitanya Caritamrita, Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam in English, with in depth philosophical commentary, also Bhakti Rasamrita Sindhu etc., rare books which describes about bhakti in detail, he has made excellent arrangement to distribute those books. Before this most of the English speaking people, almost all of them, they have promoted the nirvisesha vad, Shankara Bhasya and books with his commentary.

There was not much English translation of the books based on bhakti, and those books didn't receive much adoration or almost no preaching happened. For this reason my Gurupada padma became anxious to send his disciples to preach the words of bhakti to the western world. Some preaching happened because of his anxious endeavour. Now I can see that Swami Maharaja is greatly contributing to completely fulfil the desire of him.

I am realising that Prabhupada (BSST) has become extremely pleased on him and from there he is showering torrents of blessings upon him. (voice choking))

vāñchā-kalpa-tarubhyaś ca kṛpā . . .

Devotees: Haribol! (break)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct Bengali) (break)

Guest speaker (2):

om ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā
cakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena tasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ
vāñchā-kalpa-tarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca
patitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ
namo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te
kṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ
(CC Madhya 19.53)

Revered Swamiji, and the devotee's, I first of all offer my prostrations before you. As today is an auspicious day and we are staying here in Śrīdām Māyāpura where Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu over 186 years back appeared. There today is His birthday and an auspicious because our revered Mahārāja has laid the foundation stone for the future temple which will be higher and highest one in Bengal. He has done a lot of service in this cult propagating the message of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu throughout the world as it is told in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam:

tava kathāmṛtaṁ tapta-jīvanaṁ
kavibhir īḍitaṁ kalmaṣāpaham
śravaṇa-maṅgalaṁśrīmad ātataṁ
bhuvi gṛṇanti ye bhūri-dā janāḥ
(SB 10.31.9)

Bhuvi gṛṇanti ye bhūri-dā janāḥ, one who distributes śrī-nāma, nāma-saṅkīrtana, the divine name he is called a great . . . donor. That is not an ordinary donor, but the greatest one. Because Caitanya Mahāprabhu though he was born in the poor brahmin family He never give anything solid to the public but he gave kṛṣṇa-prema.

So now who is distributing the nāmam throughout the world? He can be called the greatest donor. That is he is scattering the divine name throughout the world. From north pole to south pole, eastern and western hemispheres none prior to him has done such greatest service to humanity. So we can respect him and we cannot able to . . . we cannot able to describe it his greatness through our few words. So this much I can say now because all of our people will speak in Bengali, please hear, of course one thing is many of you do not know Bengali.

But in Kṛṣṇa has got 64 guṇāms in it He has got one qualification, vividhādbhuta-bhāṣā-vit. Kṛṣṇa knows all the languages spoken, animate and inanimate so naturally the jīva also has got infinitesimally that quality to know the languages even languages spoken by others. So if one speaks in Bengali though you don’t understand actually ātma can understand it. So don’t bother about it, so they will speak in Bengali (Bengali) our Dāmodara Mahārāja will speak.

Dāmodara Mahārāja: (break)

. . . mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ sthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale
svayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ dadāti sva-padāntikam
namas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe
vāñchā-kalpa-tarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca
patitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ
namo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te
kṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ
(CC Madhya 19.53)

(Bengali: It is a matter of great joy for us today. My worshipable Tridandi Swami Srimad Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaj has spread Sriman Mahaprabhu's message of prema bhakti, pure bhakti to the western world. He has been sent by the will of the Lord from Vaikuntha to manifest and establish the Lord of his heart Sri Gaurahari from the spiritual Dhama and he is present here today.

One thing I wish to say. About two years ago when he was worshiping in America, at that time, the strong determination that he has to spread the holy name, Kṛṣṇa's nama, rupa, guna, lila . . . consisting of all these, each and every section is different. Sriman Mahaprabhu has said that in every town and villages of the world my name will be chanted.

Sriman Mahaprabhu has given stress on the nama. Where there is nama, the owner of the name is also present there, Kṛṣṇa Himself . . . He Himself is manifested there. Nama, rupa, guna, lila . . . simultaneously emerge in the spontaneous nama. Nama is form, nama is guna, nama is pastime, nama is entourage. Therefore Srila Jiva Goswami in the Sat Sandarbha has established nama sankirtana as the highest process. It's him who is distributing the most glorious nama across the globe.

By getting induced by the power of Sriman Mahaprabhu's mercy, the activities that He is performing, there is no impediment. That means in the Vaikuntha dharma, there is no kuntha (anxiety). Where there is kuntha, that comes under the domain of the worldly affairs, impediments, obstacles, illusion all these opposing elements comes as the symbol of kuntha dharma and create obstacles in our illustrious activities.

But where there are akuntha consciousness, Vaikuntha consciousness, Goloka consciousness, there even the 180 degree opposing elements are getting defeated. Therefore, by remaining steady in that consciousness, whatever activity is done, that is an act in Vaikuntha consciousness. Vaikuntha dharma. We have to, all our qualities have to enlightened in that Vaikuntha dharma, have to be established in that Vaikuntha dharma.

That's why Srimad Bhagavatam has said, sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje ahaituky apratihatā yayātmā suprasīdati (SB 1.2.6). In order to achieve satisfaction of the self, until the time unmotivated devotion to the lotus feet of Krishna is awakened, until that time the self can't be satisfied.

Prabhupada (BSST) used to say the real service of Krishna will be that if one can offer one spotless white flower can be offered at the lotus feet of Krishna. How one whitened soul can be offered to Krishna, for this purpose Prabhupada (BSST) used to anxiously and sincerely endeavour. Atma Puspo (soul as a flower). Actually only a soul is the appropriate thing to be offered at Krishna's lotus feet. So that thing, what we call soul in English, that soul needs to be offered at the lotus Feet of Krishna.

We all are present now in that soul offering field. Sri Gaurahari is the Lord of that soul surrendering field. Whoever has taken initiation by surrendering themselves in that lotus feet of Sri Gaura Sundara , they are especially fortunate, there is no doubt about that. Mahaprabhu has given His embrace to everybody. Sri Bhagavan, He is an object of Vaikuntha, it is not possible to have any kuntha dharma within Him. Where there is kuntha dharma, there is envy. Where there is kuntha dharma there is resistance, opposition. This is completely absent in the Vaikuntha dharma.

In Vaikuntha dharma everyone is given the knowledge of God, and everybody is engaged in Bhagabad tattwa, this is the activity at baikuntha. Therefore we . . . I forgot to mention one thing. About two years ago, there was a feeling that as if Prabhupada (BSST) is giving some inspiration to my heart, asking me to intimate him that let him establish this place as the centre of all his preaching mission and spread it all over the world. As if Prabhupada (BSST) was repeatedly inspiring me to intimate him of this. Accordingly I also informed him through letter multiple times, that Maharaja you kindly take shelter of this place of Mahaprabhu, Srila Prabhupada (BSST), the place of Sri Guru and Gauranga and then preach all over the world.

If the foundation is made strong then the job will be done well. With this message I have intimated him time and again through letters. Although I am much younger in age compared to him, he is my Sr.Godbrother, still such an inspiration of Mahaprabhu, Guru Gauranga came to me and shook my heart repeatedly. I couldn't help but to inform him. So I have informed him through letters.That expectation of mine has been fulfilled. By the mercy of Mahaprabhu, Sri Om Vishupad Srila Prabhupada (BSST), Om Srimad Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura mahasaya, Om Vishnupad Srila Gaur Kishor Das Babaji Maharaj, the great souls and Sri Gaura Sundara Himself have attracted him and brought him here with all his associates have established them, have established them in service, by which he can manifest Mahaprabhu and get unlimited bliss at his heart.

May victory be with him. Those who have come from western world, they have come from different fields, we feel pride for them. Let them be victorious. By sincerely dedicating to the Lotus feet of Sri Gaura, let them serve the Dhama, let them spread the glory of the Dhama to the world. Let them serve the Dhama and Sri Guru and Gauranga, this is our aspiration. Especially my humble submission is that this mission in which Maharaj has dedicated himself, may that mission be accomplished with all success. This is my heartfelt prayer. I offer my heartfelt prayers at the lotus feet of my Sri Gurupad Om Srimad Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Goswami Prabhupada, at the lotus feet of Sri Gaura Sundara and at the lotus feet of Srila Thakura Bhaktivinoda, that he may become victorious. Devotees victory is God's victory. This is known to all. Therefore you all will express joy to his such glorious activities, that is my earnest request. vāñchā-kalpa-tarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca, patitānāṁ . . . )


Guest speaker (3):

. . . sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair
uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ
kintu prabhor yaḥ priya eva tasya
vande guroḥśrī-caraṇāravindam
vāñchā-kalpa-tarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca
patitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ
namo mahā-vadānyāya
kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te
kṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-
nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ
(CC Madhya 19.53)

(Bengali: Gurupada padma, who have entered the eternal pastime, Om Vishnupad . . . (indistinct) . . . may all glories be upon him. At present, my teachings . . . he who have spread all over the world the pure teachings of love of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, pujyapada Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaj and his associates - may all glories be upon them.

Worshipable Srila Swami Maharaja, at the current time, the way he is preaching Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's pure message, by this, I hope that most of the living beings of the world will become jubilant. We can see here itself the success of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's words. Sriman Mahaprabhu has preached at different directions by his dear associates. Amongst them, such as in the jiva uddhara lila, that everybody, each and everyone have the right to chant the Harinama, Harinama is the religion of the soul, He has exemplified this in this world by Srila Thakura Haridasa. Swamiji Maharaja has achieved the pinnacle of that exemplification.

Like this, in the scriptures what Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu had said, in every village and town of this world my names will be chanted. Although these words were mentioned in the scripture but in reality what will be the exact actualisation,many had doubts on that. But at the present moment one can see the success of those words. My spiritual master, having entered in the eternal pastimes, Om Vishnupada Srila Bhakti Saranga Goswami Prabhu, he preached the message of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in foreign countries like France, and after two years of preaching because of some work request, returned here. But in other countries, in America or in any other parts of the world where no preaching was done, that have been fulfilled by Srila Swamiji Maharaja.

In fact, here Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, by means of this preaching activity, what is the real duty of a saint, to every living entity . . . (break) Yesterday, in relation to the subject, I discussed about Basudev Dutta Thakura. When Sriman Mahaprabhu were giving benediction to the devotees, then He told Basudev to ask for a boon. In reply Basudeva said: "By seeing the sufferings of the living entities my heart is pierced with deep grief, please give all the sinful reactions of all the living entities to my head, let me suffer hellish life for their sin, kindly deliver them from the material disease". Such was the thinking, the mood of Mahaprabhu's dear associates, and that same thing we can actually see here by the preaching mission of Srila Swamiji Maharaja.

The real heartiest desires of our spiritual masters, that preaching is happening consistently by his dear people like this, it is a matter of great joy. And it is a matter of great fortune for us, the way Swamiji Maharaja has attracted people from different countries and gave them shelter to the lotus feet of Sriman Mahaprabhu, and given them the right to serve, we can't find anything else which can offer a greater compassion than this. In the many sampradayas and many saintly communities present all over the world, the type of compassion and the type of preaching that all of them can offer, all of those compassion and preaching got completely subdued here.

So in finishing, Swamiji Maharaja, who is my siksha guru, he always shown affection towards me, I am offering my obeisances, again and again, at his lotus feet. May by the mercy of Mahaprabhu ,he lives a long life and may the message of Mahaprabhu spread more and more across the globe. And all the followers of Srila Saraswati Thakura may kindly help Maharaj in his service and preaching mission, then we will feel joy within our heart. Let there be all glories to Pujyapad Maharaj, all glories to Srila Swamiji Maharaj, all glories to the assembled devotees. Vāñchā-kalpa-tarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca.)


Guest speaker (4):

. . . bhū-tale
śrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine
namo mahā-vadānyāya
kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te
kṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-
nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ
(CC Madhya 19.53)
vāñchā-kalpa-tarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca
patitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ

(Bengali: Today is most auspicious, today is the appearance day of Sriman Mahaprabhu. Sriman Mahaprabhu has his dear followers, . . . (indistinct) . . . He has innumerable dear followers. Amongst them Sri Bhakti Siddhanta Swaraswati Goswami Thakura . . . (indistinct) . . . came to preach His message in this world. And which was kept hidden, Bhakti Siddhanta Swaraswati Thakura's very own and dearest, at the completion of the centenary of his appearance, have distributed that completely and fulfilled the desires of his (BSST) heart and he is revealing himself to do it. And his dear followers are making great arrangements for his birth centenary celebration. What I feel, his (BSST) all desires, my siksa guru, a fallen soul like me, a small child of Prabhupada (BSST), whose existence is drying up, his lifetime will get shortened, no . . . (indistinct) . . . with such great compassion who has pulled me up, at his lotus feet, who is a representative of Mahaprabhu, Bhaktisiddhanta Swaraswati Thakur's very own representative, my siksa guru Bhaktivedanta Swami. He is . . . (indistinct) . . . therefore at the lotus feet of Mahaprabhu . . . (indistinct) . . . .)

(singing) (break)


. . . kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca
patitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ

(Bengali: Today's this meeting is very beautiful. On the occasion of the birth anniversary of Mahaprabhu, all the vaishnavas assembled here at Sridham Mayapur to discuss about the glories of the Lord and about the preaching mission of His holy nama, this is a matter of great fortune. Many vaishnavas have mercifully said many things about my insignificant personality, but everywhere I always think that I am the most unqualified person. The little bit of service that is being done is happening by the mercy of Srila Prabhupada Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Goswami's influence. I don't have any personal credit on this. It is not that I am making up these words for speaking, it's not like that.

In my life the way I have got into a relationship with him, although we used to have alot of talks, but few of the words amongst those discussions needs to be told. In the year 1922, when I was working as a manager in Dr. Bose's laboratory, one of my friend forcefully took me to Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Goswami. Because we got some educational qualification, we used to think that all this saintly people are only . . . many saints used to visit our home . . . I used to see, they were taking Prasadam etc., not much to be impressed about, so I thought all these saints are fake. So my friend told me that one very exalted saint has come, let's go to meet him. I told him that I have seen many saints like this. I was not ready to visit and he was also not ready to give up. Under such a scenario he forcibly took me to Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Goswamipada's place.

Just after seeing us he said, educated boys like you, you should preach the message of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in the foreign countries. At that time I was a follower of Gandhi. I replied that sir, who is going to listen to your message of Chaitanya, our nation is not independent, there is no use of such talks now. First we should try for freedom, then he make me understood very well that all these dependence and independence are temporary situations, the real word's are those. I accepted defeat to his logical arguments.

My mind agreed that he has said the right thing. We drank water there and after a while when we were leaving, my friend, very close friend he was, asked me, what is your opinion on this saint. I said that now the mission of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is on such a hand that His message will surely be spread all over the world. That was 1922. Later I resigned as a manager from Dr. Bose's laboratory and started one of their agencies at Allahabad.

While conducting business in Allahabad, I always used to think that I had met with such a good saint. I met with a wonderful saint, such a nice person he was. This used to come to my mind always. Later, after many days, in the year of 1928, during the period of Kumbha Mela when people from our Gaudiya math visited there to establish temple, at that time, this very aged.

Tirtha Maharaja was there and our Goswami Maharaja then he was known as Atindiya Bandopadhaya, he and Dhirkrishna brahmachari etc., all well acquainted people were there. Suddenly all of them together came to visit my shop. Someone have intimated them that you can go to Abhay babu's shop, he is a religious person, he will give you good donation. Then I saw that Tirtha Maharaj . . . as I was always thinking about my meeting with those saints . . . I became very pleased by seeing the very aged Tirtha Maharaja. Oh here is this saint who have come again.

That was eight years later. In 1922 met with Prabhupada and then again in 1928. Six years later I became joyful. Tirtha Maharaja said that we came here after knowing about you, we will open a branch here, kindly help us. My joy was boundless. Yes, kindly tell what type of help I can do. Helped as per my capacity. I managed to arrange some subscription from my friends and known people. That was the second time. After that gradually, by the will of Prabhupada my business got completely ruined. That was in the year of 1930.

Then Jajabar Maharaja, who is also present now, and Atulananda, they used to come to collect subscription. They said that now you remain free in the evening time, why don't you come to our math. I thought this is good idea, now not much work is there, so I used to visit the math. They had taken a small house in Allahabad and opened a math, I used to go in the evening. In this way a close relationship developed with them. After that Governor general came to lay the foundation stone of Allahabad math. During that time used to have a lot of talks with Prabhupada. I was not yet initiated. He used to stroll in the room, I also did walk with him.

He had many relatives in Allahabad at the time of earlier ashrama. The Mittir families were there, he asked about them and I used to tell him, like this, talks from here and there. Gradually our relationship became close. Then there was circumambulation in Vrindavan. I thought let me go and see what circumambulation they will do there. In Koshi, when Prabhupada will be lecturing, then our Vinod Da (brother Vinod), Keshab Maharaja, he told everyone that we will be visiting Seshashayee Narayan for darshan, those who are interested to go please get ready. And Prabhupada will be leaving for Mathura tomorrow, if you wish you may hear him because he will be leaving tomorrow morning.

I was a newcomer, I thought that what will be the use of visiting Seshashayee Narayan for darshan, better hear the words of Prabhupada. He noted that. That was the first time . . . have seen each other, but not got formally introduced. Once in Allahabad we all were sitting together, our Ganesh babu was there, he introduced me to him by saying that he is very . . . then Prabhupada said that, I have noticed him, he likes to hear, doesn't go away. He said these words. Thereafter he said that yes I will initiate him. Then I got initiation. After that in 1934 or 35 our Mumbai math was established. At that time this Goswami Maharaja was in grhastha ashram. Then everybody made their own party. Negi Maharaaj made one party and Goswami Maharaja made another.

So Goswami Maharaja asked me to take him to all the people who were known to me. I said: "Let's go." Mine was medical business, the Doctors and the medicine shops. In those days market condition tentatively one could sell about rupees 500 daily. By seeing this Goswami Maharaja then he was Aprakrita prabhu, he was glorifying me to Prabhupada, in such a short period of his stay in Bombay he has got so much contact here and helped us to get so much donations in one day, he should be made math commander, why he stays outside.

At that time I was staying outside. My office was there in Bombay, I was staying with two of my boys. Goswami Maharaja has lifted me up so high in one go. Let him stay at math and be math command. Prabhupada used to give value to the words of Goswami Maharaja. I remember, at that time he told one thing and others who were present there at that time, probably Sridhara Maharaja was there and our Paramhamsa Maharaja was also there. Prabhupada said that it is better for you people to stay a bit away from the math.

And when some job needs to be done, that he will do by himself. He said these words. I couldn't realize then that why he is saying like this. What type of work will I do, I have no idea of anything. Later in 1936 when Prabhupada was sick and staying at Puri, I wrote him a letter that Prabhu those who are staying with you, they render so much service, at times we used to help by giving some money, but actual service we could not render.

Then he, this was before his disappearance, 29th December was his disappearance day, and this letter was dated on 13th December, means just 15 days ago. He said in his letter that you will preach in English language. That will be beneficial for you and beneficial for the whole world. Then he disappeared. Our Tirtha Maharaja was there, the aged Tirtha Maharaaj, he loved me a lot. Our Basudev prabhu also loved me. So I discussed with them that Prabhupada had said like this but as he is no more here, what should I do now.

He said you write in English. He said this with much stress. Basudev prabhu also said the same thing. I said I don't know how to make this writing, although earlier I used to write for the Harmonist. Some casual writing. He said that you write scrap. And then he called up Nishith babu and told him that whatever he writes please publish it. All these incident's are of those old days. After that I started Back to Godhead in 1944. Goswami Maharaja became the president of that publication. In this way, gradually step by step, later I left my family. And after taking vanaprastha I used to run the Back to Godhead somehow or other by visiting Delhi.

Then one of my friend told me that instead of writing Back to Godhead if you write some books, then those books will remain, else these pieces of paper will torn apart. Then I begun to write books, Bhagavat. When three volumes of book got ready, then inspiration came to me that now you should go. Then I remembered that Prabhu told me this at the very beginning, again told me in the middle period and finally at the very end. Moreover, he had a very intense desire that the message of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu be preached in the foreign countries.

As none of our God brothers could do anything on this. Those who had gone there, they also again returned and got stuck here, couldn't do anything there. Let me try once at this final age. Like this I went. I didn't go with any qualification. But the way I look at it, as Damodar Maharaja has said, I didn't have any plan to make any math or take any land here. My thought was that already there are places of my Godbrothers, if the need arises, I will simply come for a visit and stay for a couple of days at their home and then return. I will not make another math, temple, I also had written this to Damodar Maharaja.

When he was insisting, I said: "No, I don't want". After that, by whatever ways it may be, by the will of Krsna, I had sent money two years back to my disciple "Okay you can purchase the land. Damodar Maharaja is urging." But there were many obstacles. The circumstances became as such, I don't want to tell anything on that. Then I took it as a challenge and said that whatever amount of money it may take, you purchase this land.

Finally this was purchased last year. You all have come by showing your compassion, bestowing blessings. So that these boys who have come here may perform the service of Mahaprabhu very well. Please bless me and bless them too. I myself don't have any qualification. As if all this is being done by Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, he is forcibly holding my neck and making me doing these things. There is nothing more to say than this. Thank you very much.)

Devotee: All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda.

(kīrtana) (indistinct background conversation)

(sings) gaurāńgera duṭi pada, jār dhana sampada,
se jāne bhakati-rasa-sār
gaurāńgera madhura-līlā, jār karṇe praveśilā,
hṛdoya nirmala bhelo tār
je gaurāńgera nāma loy, tāra hoy premodoy,
tāre mui jāi bolihāri
gaurāńga-guṇete jure, nitya-līlā tāre sphure,
se jana bhakati-adhikārī
gaurāńgera sańgi-gaṇe, nitya-siddha kori' māne,
se jāy brajendra-suta-pāś
śrī-gauḍa-maṇḍala-bhūmi, jebā jāne cintāmaṇi . . .

(kīrtana) (break) (end)