740129 - Arrival - Tokyo

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His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada



740129AR-TOKYO - January 29, 1974 - 50:33 Minutes



Prabhupāda: The government export, then import..

(Hindi: Prabhupāda: They give for import.

Indian Man: Where?

Prabhupāda: To India.

Indian Man: No, not to India. They sent to Europe.

Prabhupāda: Achha.

Indian Man: Europe. Middle East.

Prabhupāda: After purchasing from here . . . do you have office in Europe?

Indian Man: No. I have client over their.

Prabhupāda: Oh. (pause) Next sangkirtan.)

Have kīrtana. (kīrtana) (chants prema-dhvani)

(Japanese translation throughout)

The child is responsive. The child is responsive.

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupāda: (laughs) He was seeing this playing of mṛdaṅga. How old?

Devotee: He's five months, Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Five months. So these Japanese boys, they cannot understand English?

Devotee: No, but if you would like to say something, either Mahā-guṇa or Vana can translate. They would like to hear you speak.

Prabhupāda: (devotee translating into Japanese throughout) When I was coming to this temple, I saw Japanese people are very industrious. Industrialism means, karma, and karma means, to work hard for the comfort of this body, but we are not this body, we are spirit soul within this body. As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: dehino 'smin yathā dehe (BG 2.13). The real owner of the body is within this.

So, so long our mind will be absorbed in the bodily concept of life, we have to accept another body after death. And to accept another body means great trouble. Just like this child, when he was within the womb of the mother for ten months, packed up . . . of course, by nature's arrangement one can live, but actually it is very troublesome. Then after coming out of the body, the child is helpless. He cannot express these troubles—sometimes cry. If mother is careful, takes care; otherwise he is in great trouble. Suppose some ant is biting, he cannot express; he cries simply, and mother also cannot detect why the child is crying. This is position. In this way, again growing up, no child wants to go to the school—he is forced to go to the school. Then when he is grown up, again family man to take responsibility of family.

So the whole life is struggle for existence, then old age, so many disease, frustration, then again death. Again death means, again enter into the mother's womb, again packed up, again come out, and that is also not sure what kind of body he is going to get next. There are 8,400,000 forms of bodies, and we can get any one of them. So this change of body is not very good job, but people do not know the science. They are ignorant of this transmigration of the soul, and they are working hard, dying, again taking birth—not as human being; maybe human being or more than human being, or cats and dogs, trees, there's so many. So this is our real problem. In ignorance, we accept one kind of body and stay for some time, again we are kicked out—no permanent situation. In this way, we are under threefold miserable conditions offered by the material nature.

So, people are not concerned about the solution of this problem, they are so foolish rascal. There is no education, there is no enlightenment about this transmigration of the soul from one body to another, and suffering, and they are thinking they are very happy. But from Bhagavad-gītā we understand we can get relief from this repetition of birth and death. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya (BG 4.9). Kṛṣṇa says, janma karma me divyaṁ yo jānāti tattvataḥ (BG 4.9): anyone who can understand Kṛṣṇa, the result will be na iti, "No more taking birth in the material world" mām eti, "He comes back to Me."

So this is the solution. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is teaching people, how to make a solution of this repetition of birth and death and go back to home, back to Godhead. So why people are reluctant to take this movement very seriously? Any question? Hmm. You don't want to make a solution of this problem? Yes, they are . . . have become so dull, just like animals, they do not know what is the solution of the problem . . . (indistinct Sanskrit)

yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke
sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ
yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicij
janeṣv abhijñeṣu sa eva go-kharaḥ
(SB 10.84.13)

If a person, human being, does not take very seriously this problems of life, he is just like animal, go-kharaḥ. Go means "cow," and kharaḥ means "ass." So those who are not interested, to make a solution of the problems of life, he is no better than an animal, go-kharaḥ.

So this is a civilization of animal education—whole day working like ass. Ass is called mūḍhā. Mūḍhā, he works very hard, a big load of washerman's cloth is laden on his back, and he works, and the washerman gives little grass. He thinks, "He is giving me grass; therefore I must bear this load." He is such a fool that he does not know the grass is available anywhere, free of charges, but he thinks that, "This washerman is giving me grass," therefore he must have this load. Therefore ass is the most foolish animal. Amongst the animals, the most foolish animal.

So we are trying to enlighten people to get them out from this foolish way of life. But, it is very difficult. Māyā is very strong. But still we have to try, because Kṛṣṇa Himself comes to enlighten people on this point, and we are supposed to be servant of Kṛṣṇa, so it is our duty to try to enlighten people. But people also should know the responsibility of human life; but they want to live like animals. So you want to live like this, or wish to go back to home, back to Godhead? Like animal, ass. (laughs)

(Hindi: Prabhupāda: Now say what is your opinion. You are an Indian, you should have some information of the Vedic knowledge. All these people, they work so hard! As per the scriptural injunction, all these people are actually like Ass. The asses will come . . . (indistinct) . . . They sell dogs and sheeps for eating. And people eat those things. They work so hard . . . but our that real business of human life, does nothing for that.)

So the Japanese boys, they have understood? Eh? You have understood? The difficulty is they cannot speak English; I cannot speak Japanese. (laughs) The difficulty is there. Anyway, you are supplying them prasādam. Go on doing that one day, they will also come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

(Hindi: Prabhupāda: You all come everyday or not?

Indian Man: Sunday.)

Prabhupāda: Sunday. Today is . . .?

Devotee: Today is Tuesday.

Prabhupāda: Tuesday. (Hindi: Do you have any children? Childrens . . .

Indian Man: None.

Prabhupāda: None. Is this your wife?

Indian Man: My Brothers . . .(indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Has she came from India?

Indian Lady: No. We stay at Osaka.) Osaka.

Devotee: Osaka is another city.

Prabhupāda: Osaka. Oh. Osaka. (Hindi: You belong to Panjabi community?

Indian Lady: No. We are Bhatia.

Prabhupāda: Bhatia? Gujrati?

Indian Lady: Karachi.

Indian Man: Karachi.

Prabhupāda: Karachi.

Indian Lady: Sindhri Bhatia.

Prabhupāda: Sindhri ?

Indian Lady: Currently we stay at Bombay.

Prabhupāda: There are many Sindhri's in Bombay.

Indian Lady: Oh Yes. Our this Bhatia family . . . you know Sripad Vallabhacharya sampradaya is there , we are from that path.

Prabhupāda: Achha! Then you people are Vaishnav.

Indian Lady : Yes. We are Vaishnav. We worship Krsna only.

Prabhupāda: Hm. That's the reason you come here.

Indian Lady: We go to Srinath Ji as well.

Prabhupāda: Achha. The Srinath Gopal Ji, it belong's to our lineage, of Gaudiya Vaishnava's. That was Madhavendra Puri . . . Vallabhacharya , from Vishnuswami sampradaya. Vaishnava's have four sampradaya. Our's is Madhya sampradaya. Madhabendra Puri gave it to him. That Gopal Ji, was from our sampradaya, Gaudiya sampradaya.

Indian Lady: That small Gopal Ji who is kept near Srinath-ji.

Prabhupāda: Hm . . . no, that Nath . . . that Nathdwara is the big Gopal.

Indian Lady: No. Small. Whom Srimad Vallabhacharya used to worship.

Prabhupāda: Oh! That one.

Indian Lady: That small Gopal of him.

Prabhupāda: That one. Bal Gopal.

Indian Lady: Yes.

Prabhupāda: And the Gopal Ji that is there at Nathdwara, that is big one.

Indian Lady: Yes, yes.

Prabhupāda: That Gopal Ji was installed by Bajra . . . the grandson of Lord Krsna. A few days later, there were some trouble, the temple was destroyed, Gopal-ji was lying in a jungle. Madhabendra Puri, after having a dream, again rescued Gopal from there and installed Him in a temple. At Gobardhan. And at the final days of his life he had given it to Ballabhacharya. That is Nathdwara.

Indian Lady: Hmm.

Prabhupāda: How many Indian's are here all together.

Indian Man: Four thousand approximately.

Prabhupāda: Four thousand ? But here there is no temple of the Lord.

Indian Man: In Tokyo there is no temple, but in Kobe, Osaka , temple is there.

Prabhupāda: Oh, temple is there in Kobe?

Indian Man: Yes, In Kobe temple is there. Gurdwara is there and Ramkrishna mission also . . . Prabhupāda: Huh ?

Indian Man : Ramkrishna mission.

Prabhupāda: Oh it does not matter much, Ramkrishna mission (laughter). They are atheist.

Indian Man: That two only is there.

Prabhupāda: Only Hindu's will come, these people are Hindu only. Not Vaishnava. It's not a matter of Hindu's. They are not devotees of Krsna. Built a temple of Lord Krsna here.

Indian Lady: They are the worshippers of the Goddess, the Ramkrishna mission people.

Prabhupāda: You may be followers of Devi's or Devata's , but we should be followers of the Supreme Lord.

Indian lady: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Ramkrishna mission is neither for the Devi or Deva, they follow their own way. They eat everything, drink everything.

Indian Lady: Yes.

Prabhupāda: They are destroying the Hindu religion.

Indian Lady: Hm.

Prabhupāda: You make everyone vaishnab here.

Indian Lady: I myself and we all are vaishnav.

Prabhupāda: Yes. These people were meat eater by birth.

Indian Lady: Yes Sir.

Prabhupāda: But now they left that habit. By birth. They have left drinking alcohol, any type of intoxication, don't even take tea now. We don't take bidi, cigarette, tea, nothing. You know this. In everywhere. All over the world. But they eat everything - meat, fish, tea, bidi, alcohol and what not, not even mentionable, everything. So you felt great by visiting Ramkrishna Mission huh! Didn't you people know about this. Indian Man: We knew.

Indian Lady: We knew.

Prabhupāda: Everyone knows this.So . . .

Indian Lady: But the thing is since childhood they remained in such a lifestyle that . . .

Prabhupāda: What lifestyle it is, eating meat and fish, what type of life is that? (laughter) The life of muslims. What life can a person have who eats meat and fish? Kadaryo bhakhhon kore. (Bengali - Eats dirty things). A bengali poet . . . nana yoni bhraman kare, Kadaryo bhakhhan kare.(Bengali: Wanders through all the species, eats abominable things.) This eating of meat and fish is "kadaryo", dirty thing. People eat these things too, like animals. They are not even human being. These type of people are called "Yavana" in our scriptures. They are termed as Rakshas (Demons). Meat and fish . . . who eats meat? The Dogs. Sher (Lion), Tiger. Uncivilized people eat these things. What benefit will be there? The body of the tiger is very strong. But what benefit the human society can have from that? And you see the cow is there, she doesn't eat fish or meat. Without her milk we can't perform. And she is slaughtered. What have we done?

Indian Lady: In our vaishnava sampradaya at present, those who lives outside, they all have started eating.

Prabhupāda: Then it's finished. They will go to hell, what to do. (laughter). Destined for hell, what else. And all the vaishnavas. . . I have seen in London, all the Indian people they eat meat. They are now eating even beef also. . . (indistinct) . . . This should not have been done. Prasadam of the Lord . . . do you take prasadam here.

Indian Lady: Yes, yes. I don't take anything, no onion no garlic, nothing.

Prabhupāda: That's ok.

Indian Lady: Don't even eat egg also. Nothing. Onion also I don't eat. The men at our family don't even smoke cigarettes etc. (laughter) . . . (indistinct) . . . )

So have kīrtana once more. (Hindi: How many day's you will be staying here?

Prabhupāda: Will go tomorrow.

Indian Lady: Oh you will go tomorrow! )

(kīrtana) (chants prema-dhvani)

(Hindi: Prabhupāda: The child is very fortunate.

Indian Lady: Yes. How he was . . .

Prabhupāda: He begun dancing from the very beginning.

Indian Lady: Began to dance. (laughter)) Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Devotee: (devotees offer obeisances) So there is prasādam for everyone.

Devotees: All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. (end)