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740328 - Morning Walk - Bombay

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His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

740328MW-BOMBAY - March 27, 1974 - 02:25 Minutes

Prabhupāda: . . . incidences are so described that anyone can remember. And by remembering these incidences, he becomes liberated. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

Indian man: One thing I want to know, you see, when He was Supreme God, why He created all these līlās? When . . . suppose He was sent . . .

Prabhupāda: What do you mean by Supreme God?

Indian man: Er, He was the Lord of universe. All the . . .

Prabhupāda: So He cannot do that?

Indian man: No, He can do it.

Prabhupāda: Then?

Indian man: That is . . . so He has done. But as He sent Uddhava to Vṛndāvana to know about condition of Vṛndāvana people, even He was God, He knew it, no?

Prabhupāda: No, that is affection.

Indian man: Hmm?

Prabhupāda: That is affection. Just like you go to your friend, you know what he is, still you ask, "How are, you are?"

Indian man: Yes.

Prabhupāda: This is natural.

Indian man: Then he'll answer. Very affection

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Indian man: But He had also . . . when He was God, why He had some affection also like that?

Prabhupāda: Oh, that you must know.

Indian man: Māyā . . . I, I, I say to māyā.

Prabhupāda: No, it is not. Māyā mean affection also. Māyā mean affection also. Māyā has got the meaning of affection. Māyā means illusion; māyā means energy; māyā means affection. Just like we say māyā . . . chele rupar māyā. That is affection.

Indian man: (Hindi) affection.

Prabhupāda: So māyā means affection.

Indian man: But when He was born, why should He have māyā? When He is the Supreme God, (Hindi)?

Prabhupāda: (Hindi) Can you control God? By your wording, He'll not be affected by māyā.

Indian man: No, that means I have . . .

Prabhupāda: That is God. That is God. He can do anything. He is not under your rules and regulation. Māyā . . . māyā . . . māyā means . . . māyā means . . . māyā mukta (Cc Madhya 24.136) means the illusion. When the māyā is illusion, you have to get you out it. But when the . . .

Indian man: But what is the differnce between the illusion and māyā?

Prabhupāda: Illusion is forced. But affection is not forced. When father loves child, that is not forced; that is reality. (break) (end)