740414 - Morning Walk - Bombay
Prabhupāda: . . . find out wine and woman. That's all.
Girirāja: (reading from Kṛṣṇa Book) "While they were thus enjoying themselves . . ."
Prabhupāda: But in America I don't think there is such thing.
Dr. Patel: Because, these nightclubs and all these things is of this type.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel: Sex, merriment. I have not seen a single nightclub, though I studied in England for two years. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . Nārada, but still they are sinful. Such a great personality like Nārada they have seen, but still they are sinful. Go on.
Girirāja: "As such, the great sage Nārada considered that because the demigods Nalakūvara and Maṇigrīva were so infatuated by false prestige, they should be put in a condition of life devoid of opulence." (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . bench, standing. The small children, they are punished, "Stand up on the bench." It is like that.
Dr. Patel: All vegetables are in tamas, in tamas . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: No. Some of them, fruitful, those trees for supplying nice fruits, nice flowers, they are in the goodness. Everywhere the three qualities are working.
Yaśomatīnandana: There may be dog in the mode of goodness? There may be . . .
Prabhupāda: No, dog is an animal. He is in the ignorance. But the cow is in goodness. Sattva-raja-tamo.
Dr. Patel: Horse is in rajas.
Prabhupāda: Horse, lions. The monkey is in tamas.
Dr. Patel: And animal is in tamas and rajas . . .
Prabhupāda: Everything, there are three qualities, everywhere.
Dr. Patel: Everywhere. But more rajas is in monkeys, because they are more active. These particular . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: They are researching for something which is useless. Therefore tamas. Rajas-tamo-bhavaḥ kāma-lobhādayaś ca ye (SB 1.2.19). This is the effect of rajas-tamas: kāma and lobha, greedy and always hankering after.
Dr. Patel: But sometimes real scientists speak out the truth. (break)
Prabhupāda: Don't give pain to others.
Dr. Patel: Don't give . . .?
Prabhupāda: Others, painful condition. If you feel pain by certain condition, that is . . .
Dr. Patel: Ātmavat sarva bhūteṣu.
Girirāja: "Generally it is seen that one who has risen from a poverty-stricken life and becomes wealthy creates some charitable institution at the end of his life . . ." (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . goes to market and gets some this . . . what is called, bhūta, bhūta?
Dr. Patel: What is, bhūta,
Prabhupāda: Corns. (break)
Dr. Patel: Corn, or this . . .
Yaśomatīnandana: Mottai? . . . (indistinct)
Dr. Patel: But that is why I say that rasanā (tongue) is not so strong as śiṣṇa (genital).
Prabhupāda: No, if you do not allow rasanā to enjoy much, śiṣṇa will be subdued.
Dr. Patel: But still, I mean personally, for myself, I don't have any taste for any food. In fact I have been taking all the food together just like the sannyāsīs, and I don't have any taste. But still I have from within me I don't find that form of sex carrying out, even though I am a scientist.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Caitanya Mahāprabhu used to say that, "Sex life is so strong that even if I see one wooden female form I become excited."
Dr. Patel: That is why I feel the same thing.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So this is not unnatural. Caitanya Mahāprabhu tells this because this cannot be avoided. But by knowledge it can be avoided.
Dr. Patel: We were talking the same thing.
Prabhupāda: Yes, by knowledge. Yes. But "Because I am excited, therefore I have to do this," that is not good.
Dr. Patel: But then I found out the solution for this. As soon as you feel excitement . . . (break) Then you have nothing to do with it.
Prabhupāda: Therefore knowledge.
Dr. Patel: Yes. That I have started practicing this for some time. And I feel a great solace in that.
Prabhupāda: That has been recommended by Śaṅkarācārya that, "Why you are attracted by these forms? It is only a combination of flesh and marrow. That's all."
Dr. Patel: No, but who is attracted? The indriya is attracted. I am beyond indriya. That also you think. I am master of the indriya. (break)
Prabhupāda: So long we are associated . . . the example I have given many times, that I am sitting on a car, and the car there is accident. I am not car. Still, I am excited, "Oh, my car is lost. Why you have struck my car?" There is so much quarrel. But it is a fact, he knows that "I am not the car." That is called abhiniveśa.
Dr. Patel: Wrong orientation.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) Cāṇakya Paṇḍita says, matṛvat para-dareṣu: "Always think of other's wife as mother."
Dr. Patel: Mātṛvat . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . . also have to die.
Dr. Patel: We die, don't mind, but we want others to die as Muslims. We want to die them as Hindus. (break) . . . supersonic is soundless.
Prabhupāda: Supersonic? What is that? Any circumstance, the ruling power is nature. He cannot avoid that. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14). (break) . . . more their senses are turbulent. This is also . . . therefore there is one tapasā brahmacāryena (SB 6.1.13), and the word anaśana, anaśana, "not eating." Eating should be reduced.
Dr. Patel: Tapasā brahmacāryena damena . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . yamena, damena. There are so many. Out of that, there is one, anaśana, anaśana, not eating.
Dr. Patel: Anaśana. Ana-asana.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)
Girirāja: ". . . not very turbulent, he cannot become violent." (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . yuktāhāra. Not to eat more, not to eat less. That is required. (break) . . . yes, when I was alone in Baroda, I was making my customers for Back to Godhead. So I entered one gentleman's house, and from the porch he was, "Don't come! Don't come! Don't come!" (laughs] Immediately.
Dr. Patel: Baroda was a very small place then . . . (indistinct) . . . place. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . if I go to a place, mataji bhikṣā dijiye, so everyone will be compassionate. And it is our duty, at least in Vedic civilization, that when a sannyāsī comes he is received, "Aiye, aiye, Mahārāja, betiye." Still. Still in the villages they do that. Just like it is mentioned in the śāstra that brahmacārī and sannyāsīs should be taken as the sons of the society.
Dr. Patel: Even in Puna, even today in Puna . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: They are trained like that, very good. (break) It is compulsory that every man should become a mendicant for some time.
Indian man (1): They must have experience of that. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . there is a temple, Tarakeśvara, in Hoogli district. So Lord Śiva . . . so people, I mean to say, pray that, "If my this disease is cured" or "If I get this victory, I shall become a sannyāsī for a month." (laughs) So that system is going on. They become sannyāsīs for one month. There are hundreds and thousands.
Dr. Patel: They, according to our Hindu . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: This is called "One-month sannyāsī." That is not mentioned in the śāstra, but it has come into custom.
Dr. Patel: Custom. But according to śāstra . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . and if he returns, he is called vāntāśī, yes, "Eating the vomit."
Indian man (1): Before giving sannyāsa, the teacher will take proper care that his mind is already peaceful and all . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . obeisances, we take out our shoes. That is a system.
Indian man (1): Even the hat . . .
Prabhupāda: Hat, yes. (break) . . . naked is not civilization. It is not civilization.
Dr. Patel: That means practice tapas right from the beginning of your days . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: The body is changed.
Dr. Patel: It's not icchā-dveṣa samutthena dvandva-mohena (BG 7.27)? (break)
Prabhupāda: That past life, because the body is changed, we forget.
Dr. Patel: Some of the people also . . .
Prabhupāda: Some of the . . .
Dr. Patel: I don't know how it is. That is very difficult to explain.
Prabhupāda: That is special. That is special.
Dr. Patel: There is a big research going on in the parapsychology here in India and America.
Prabhupāda: No, it is by the grace of God one can remember about his past life. (break) . . . practical experience. In our family, my mother's eldest sister, her son of a previous birth came to see her. Old man, very old man. (break) This is called illusion.
Dr. Patel: All relations of the son, child, wife, husband, all these are of the . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . just like in the river sometimes several straws will meet together . . .
Dr. Patel: (indistinct Sanskrit)
Prabhupāda: . . . and again they disperse. (break) We get our body and mix together, and again we are dispersed by the waves of time. (break) . . . at the end we shall see Kṛṣṇa. (break)
Girirāja: ". . . the original Personality of Godhead, master of all mystic powers, learned brāhmaṇas know very well that this cosmic manifestation is an expansion of Your potency.' " (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . and Nalakūvara, but He remained bound up.
Indian man (1): About His līlā?
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) Yaśodāmāyī is more powerful than Kṛṣṇa. Eh?
Indian man (1): No, devotees are more powerful always.
Prabhupāda: (laughing) Just see. He liberated Nalakūvara, but He remained bound up by the rope of Yaśodāmāyī. (break) . . . children. (break) . . . some conjugal love.
Dr. Patel: Then He became eight years old. How could any gopī have a conjugal love with a boy of seven or eight years?
Indian man (1): Spiritual love.
Prabhupāda: That is not this love. That is a different love.
Dr. Patel: Conjugal love is mādhurya-rāsa.
Prabhupāda: Mādhurya-rāsa, yes . . . (break) . . . eat along with my father. Yes. Unless I come, father will not . . .
Dr. Patel: But you were brought up in a big city, but I was brought up in a small village. Actually . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: The same. It doesn't matter whether it is in the village or town.
Dr. Patel: In the villages we eat more. We used to buy (Hindi: (indistinct) . . . then how can you come now?) . . . (break) (end)