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770508 - Conversation B - Hrishikesh

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

770508R2-HRISHIKESH - May 08, 1977 - 4:52 Minutes

Prabhupāda: "I don't want your teaching."

Indian lady (1): Would you say that I accept duty of the . . .

Prabhupāda: You understand first of all. Whatever the rascal father was teaching, he was refusing. That is the quarrel between the father and the son.

Indian man (2): Śrīla Prabhupāda, what is the responsibility of some person towards the father who has given the material body to him?

Prabhupāda: Oh, don't try to understand in a minute. You read all these books. But attentively, if the child has form, the father must have form. There is no doubt of it. And what is that form? That you have to understand. And his question, the father was a demon, but the child was not demon because he refused to follow that demon father. That was his only fault.

Indian man (3): Prabhupāda, if I am allowed, I could just say what Guru Nanak said. He said (Punjabi verse). He said, "Lord Father does not have the cycle of birth." Therefore, I mean my interpretation . . .

Prabhupāda: So Birth to wo to aapka bhi hai nahin. (Birth, that you also do not have.)

Indian man (3): My interpretation . . .

Prabhupāda: Then why interpretation? Birth-death aapka hai hi nahin. Na jāyate na mriyate vā (BG 2.20). To god ka kaise birth hoga, death hoga jab aapka hi hai nahin. ye jo birth-death ye disease hai. Birth, death, old age ye to sharir ka hai, usse to sampark nahi hai, yehi to samajhna chahiye. (You do not have birth and death. Na jāyate na mriyate vā (BG 2.20). Then how does God take birth, have death when you do not have. This birth and death is a disease. Birth, death, old age is of the body. It is not related to the soul. This has to be explained.)

Indian man: Ye samajhne ke liye to aapse maine ye sawaal kiya hai. (To understand this only I asked you this question.)

Prabhupada: To yehi samajhta nahi. This is the world of agyana. usko gyan dena chahiye, ye duty hai. usko agyan me rakh diya father. wo to kutta bhi hota hai. uska kya labh hai. (This is not explained by the father. This is the world of ignorance. He has to be given knowledge. This is his duty. He was kept in ignorance by his father.) (pause)

British devotee: Should we stop now, Śrīla Prabhupāda? It's quarter to seven.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

British devotee: So the people now have been staying here . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You can make an announcement.

British devotee: Yes. Everyone can please take leave now. Śrīla Prabhupāda now has to get ready to leave. He's going to Agra tomorrow.

Prabhupāda: Sab prasad lijiye. (Everyone take prasada.)

British devotee: So if you can come to the door, stand at the door . . . that's the door, yes.

Prabhupāda: Jate vakt thoda prasad lekar jaiye. (While going take some prasada.)

British devotee: Bhūmipati, could you help there?

Prabhupāda: Jaya. Thank you very much.

British devotee: That man would like you to . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: I'll go. can you give me some service. no vacany, get out. (break) . . . when somebody becomes a friend, alright you can become a friend, "You are so nice." These sudras, the number of sudras have created the world situation so bad (end)