Go to Vaniquotes | Go to Vanipedia | Go to Vanimedia

Vanisource - the complete essence of Vedic knowledge

690621 - Lecture SB 01.05.17-18 - New Vrindaban, USA

From Vanisource

His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

690621SB-NEW VRINDAVAN - June 21, 1969 - 42:38 Minutes

Prabhupāda: (chants maṅgalācaraṇa)

yena tasmai śrī-gurave-namaḥ
śrī-caitanya-mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ sthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale
svayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ dadāti sva-padāntikam
vande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca
śrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam
sādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ
śrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca
he kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate
gopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te
tapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari
vṛṣabhānu-sute devi praṇamāmi hari-priye
vāñchā-kalpa-tarubhyaś ca
kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca
patitānāṁ pāvanebhyo
vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ
śrī-advaita gadādhara
hare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare
hare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare

So we are discussing Nārada Muni's instruction to Vyāsadeva to make him correct. Vyāsadeva, such a scholar, Vedavyāsa . . . he is known as the topmost scholar in Vedic knowledge. Not only that; he has compiled so many books, literary achievement, there is no comparison in the world. But still, he is not satisfied, and Nārada Muni is instructing him that, "You should write exclusively on the activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, hearing which, there will be actual peace and prosperity all over the world." This is the secret. Without God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, there cannot be any peace in the world.

So we were discussing in our last meeting that if a person, by sentiment or by persuasion or by some material gain or somehow or other, decides to accept the statement of Bhagavad-gītā, Kṛṣṇa . . . Kṛṣṇa says that, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66). Ekam: "Only unto Me." He even does not say that there are many incarnations of Kṛṣṇa, but He says, mām ekam. This ekam can be understood in this way, that when we speak "Kṛṣṇa," this term includes everything Kṛṣṇa, all-attractive. But we can capture everything in Kṛṣṇa simply by . . .

Just like the same example, as we have repeatedly . . . that by supplying food in the stomach, you supply food to all the limbs of the body. You don't require . . . this is practical. Or pouring water on the root of the tree, you supply water to all the branches, leaves, everywhere. We see every day. This is practical example. Simply . . . similarly, there must be something central point of all this manifestation. That is Kṛṣṇa. If we simply capture Kṛṣṇa, then we capture everything.

And the Vedas also says, yasmin vijñāte sarvam idaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati (Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3). We are searching after departmental knowledge, but if you simply understand Kṛṣṇa, the central point, then you understand everything. You understand everything. Just like we sometimes speak which great scientists cannot speak. Why? Because we have captured the central point: Kṛṣṇa.

So in the last day's meeting we discussed that even by sentiment, without understanding Kṛṣṇa, simply by sentiment, "All right, these . . . all these boys and girls are dancing in 'Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa.' So let me also join this Kṛṣṇa Movement and dance," he will derive the greatest benefit. Simply . . . tyaktvā sva-dharmam (SB 1.5.17). Everyone is engaged, busy in his own occupation—businessman, student, lawyer, engineer, politician, so many. But Nārada says that "If these people give up everything . . ." The same instruction, as Kṛṣṇa says, "Give up everything. Surrender unto Me," Nārada says the same thing.

That is the, I mean to say, significance, that whatever God, or Kṛṣṇa, says, His devotee also will say the same thing. There is no difference. Therefore it is called paramparā. Devotee will not manufacture something, interpretation, which is against the version of Kṛṣṇa. Then he is not devotee. Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu: He is playing the role of a devotee. Kṛṣṇa says that, "You surrender unto Me," and Caitanya Mahāprabhu says: "You surrender unto Kṛṣṇa." So there is no difference between the teaching . . . teachings of Lord Caitanya and teachings of Lord Kṛṣṇa. The object is the same.

So we are . . . what we are doing? We are also asking people, "Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa," the same thing. There is no difference. Therefore one has to accept the real thing from the paramparā system, serious devotee. Then . . . because a serious devotee will speak the same thing as Kṛṣṇa says. There is no invention.

So Nārada Muni says . . . because Nārada Muni is our previous ācārya, disciplic succession from Brahmā to Nārada, Nārada to Vyāsadeva, and Vyāsadeva to others. So Nārada Muni's instructing his disciple that tyaktvā sva-dharmam: "If somebody gives . . . gives up his occupational duty . . ." Just like sometimes we are taken as some crazy fellows. We have no concern with any political movement or social movement. We have taken simply Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. So they may think that "This is a society of crazy fellows. They have given up everything, simply chanting 'Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa.' " But Nārada Muni confirms, it is the first-class thing.

He says that, "If somebody, giving up everything, simply takes to Kṛṣṇa . . ." Tyaktvā sva-dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujaṁ hareḥ (SB 1.5.17) Caraṇāmbujaṁ hareḥ, he takes, determines: "Now, from this day, I shall simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. I shall do nothing . . ." "So," Nārada Muni says, "if somebody does like that . . ." Bhajana . . . and Śrīdhara Svāmī says that svadharma tyāgena, nānusvadharma tyāgena bhajana paripakena yadi kṛtārtho bhavet tadā na kadācit cintā: "All right, this boy has taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is very good. Let him do that. If he comes to the perfectional point of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is very good." But yadi punar apakva eva mriyate: "But if he does not prosecute Kṛṣṇa consciousness rightly, maturely, and if he dies . . ."

Because death is expected every moment. So suppose we are prosecuting this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Now death may come immediately. We all die. So Nārada Muni gives us encouragement that punar eva tato svedva: "Either we die or sometimes we fall down . . ." Because māyā and Kṛṣṇa, side by side. "So it is all right. We are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But if we fall down . . ." vrase vā tadā sva-dharma tyāga nimitta narthāśraya, "then you have given up your all other duties. So for giving up your duty, there must be some punishment."

I don't mean in this worldly punishment. Just like, according to Vedic system, there are brahmins, kṣatriyas; for example, just like Kṛṣṇa was advising Arjuna that, "You are kṣatriya. So if you die in this fight, then your heavenly door is open." Because, according to śāstra, if a kṣatriya dies while fighting, then automatically he gets promotion in the heavenly planet. And if he goes away, giving up the fighting, then he goes to hell. So similarly, if one does not discharge his duties, prescribed duties, then he falls down.

Nārada Muni says, "Even if he falls down, still, there is no loss. Even if he falls down, there is no loss." Sva-dharma tyāgena anartha syād asam kara tato bhajanam pated katancid vrasyed mriyate vā yadi tathāpi bhaktir asikasya karmaṇy adhikarad na.. Even there is such chance that I may fall down or I may not be mature, still, Nārada Muni gives, "There is no question of hesitation. Accept it. Even if you think that you'll not be able to prosecute Kṛṣṇa consciousness in full, still, you accept it." Na sāṅkhya.

Ami krte apy aha va śabda kathake. Śrīdhara Svāmī says that this word, here . . . Bhajann apakvo 'tha patet tato yadi vā. means "What is there, even if he falls down?" Yatra kva vā nica-yony apy amuṣya bhaktir eka sya abhūt kim. Now . . . now, suppose a brahmin, a brahmin, he is . . . he has got so many duties. As a brahminical, he has to perform so many sacrifices, nitya . . . There are different . . . satya, śamo damas titikṣā. Satya means truthfulness; śama means controlling the senses; dama means . . . dama means controlling senses; śama means controlling the mind. Satya, śama, dama, titikṣā, tolerance (BG 18.42) There are so many nice qualification. So if a brahmin does not discharge his duties, it is said that he becomes a śūdra, or falls down. Sthānād bhraṣṭaḥ patanty adhaḥ (SB 11.5.3).

So Nārada Muni says that, "Suppose next life a brahmin falls down, he takes to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Neither he executes the brahminical duties, nor he could prosecute Kṛṣṇa consciousness to perfection, still," Nārada Muni says: "there is no loss." There is no loss. Yatra kva va nica-yony apy amuṣya abhadra abhūt kim. Now, if the brahmin, by not executing his prescribed duties, he becomes a śūdra—next life he takes birth in a śūdra family or lower than śūdra family—so Nārada Muni says: "What is the loss there? Because Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice that it will not leave the person who has once taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It will revive even in that lower status of life."

Just like, according to Hindu civilization . . . now, in this country, so the boys and girls who are taking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, previous to this, they were meat-eater; they were so many things which, according to brahminical religion, these are abominable condition. But see the practical. Even they were fallen this abominable condition some way or other, but because in their last life they had some advancement of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, immediately they are taking up.

So those who are joining in this movement in this country, they are supposed to be previously Kṛṣṇa conscious. Somehow or other, they could not execute Kṛṣṇa consciousness in full. So although they are born in a country where there is no trace of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, there is no, I mean to, even purity of life, still, they are taking up. So where is the loss? There is no loss. Nārada Muni wants to point out that anywhere . . . Bhagavad-gītā also confirms it, that one who has once taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, anywhere he is in the next birth, he will again take it up. This is natural.

So Nārada Muni stresses this point that, yatra kva vā abhadram abhūd amuṣya kim. There is no loss. The . . . because the seed, once sown, it will grow. It will grow. This example is given in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta by Lord Caitanya to Rūpa Gosvāmī: bhakti-latā, the plant of bhakti, growing. Simply we have to water it.

Those who have taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they should not be satisfied that whatever they have done, it is nice—"Even I fall down, there is no . . ." No. You have to execute as far as possible. But this is spoken. If by chance there is falldown, there is no loss. But we should not take that . . . we should not be careless. Śravaṇa-kīrtana-jale karaye secana (CC Madhya 19.152). Just like our program in this New Vrindaban, very nice program. From four-thirty in the morning till ten o'clock, there is nice program. So this program should be continued. Then there is no question of falling down. Simply executing this program.

Next verse: bhakti-vāsanā sad-bhāva iti bhava avayad vistu kevalam sva dharma pakvo 'tha vayaptya abhajatam. Now, once this Kṛṣṇa consciousness awakens, it is so nice that it will not let the person fall down. No. The . . . rest assured. Fall down. It will grow simply. If it is checked for the time being, but that checking is for temporary checking. It will again come out. So don't lose this opportunity. Go on with Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the simple method. So there is no question of falldown. Bhakti-vāsanā sad-bhāvāt. Bhakti-vāsanā, this desire that, "I'll serve Kṛṣṇa," this desire is sufficient to keep him, I mean to say, intact. This very desire, bhakti-sad-bhāvāt. This desire will never die.

tasyaiva hetoḥ prayateta kovido
na labhyate yad bhramatām upary adhaḥ
tal labhyate duḥkhavad anyataḥ sukhaṁ
kālena sarvatra gabhīra-raṁhasā
(SB 1.5.18)

Nanu svadharma matrad api karmana pitṛloka srute, pitṛloka-prāpti phalaṁ asti va tatraha tasyaite kovida viveki tasyaiva hetoḥ tad arthaṁ yatra kuryād yad upary brahmaloka paryantam adhaḥ sthāvara paryantam brahmadbi jivena na labhate. Now, those who are karma-kāṇḍīya, karmīs . . . karmīs means those who follow strictly the ritualistic ceremonies, as it is indicated in the Vedas. They are karmīs. Karma, akarma and vikarma. There are three divisions of our activities. Generally we say karmīs, ordinary men, who are working hard to earn some money and enjoy. Actually, they are not karmīs, they are vikarmīs.

Real karmīs . . . just like a thief. A thief is stealing. That is also certain kind of activity. It is not inactivity. So we cannot say that this is bona fide activity. He's also planning. He's also making plan—how to steal, how to go upstairs of the house and then come down. So there is activity. But such kind of activity is not bona fide activity. Therefore, according to śāstra, it is called vikarma. Vikarma means it is counteractivity. Activity means you have to work legally. That is activity. If you say that "I am very much active in stealing," then that is not excused. Then you'll . . . Government will say: "Please stop your activity. You come into the prison." Yes. (chuckles)

So similarly, this kind of activity, sense-gratificatory activities, they are not karmīs even. They are vikarmīs. Because they are preparing their ground-adānta-gobhir viśatāṁ tamisram (SB 7.5.30) "By such activities they are going to the darkest region of hell." Adānta . . . why? Now adānta-gobhiḥ. Adānta means uncontrolled, and go means senses. Such activities, impulse by uncontrolled senses, they will lead . . . such activities will lead him to the darkest region of hellish conditional life.

So activi . . . real activity means to elevate yourself. That is . . . that is called karma. Karma, akarma and vikarma. Vikarma means such activities will, which will lead him to the hellish condition of life. And karma means that activity which will promote you to the higher standard of life, in the higher planetary system, where the standard of life is far, far greater than in this planet. So that is called karma.

Therefore generally, Vedic . . . those who are following the Vedic principles, they become active in the ritualistic ceremony. The idea is they'll be promoted to higher planets and will be able to enjoy better sense gratification. Suppose a man is very rich and he has got ten thousands of years' living condition. Then he thinks, "Oh, how happy I am. For ten thousand of years I shall be able to gratify my senses."

So the karmīs are like that. They want actually sense gratification, but they want higher standard of sense gratification. Yes. That is their . . . we are . . . economic development, in this planet. What is this economic development? That means if we get to go more money, then we shall be able to gratify our senses more perfectly and more satisfactorily. That is the idea. Actually, either you become karmī or vikarmī, they are all on the platform of sense gratification. So one is going down, and one is going up. So Nārada Muni says that:

tasyaiva hetoḥ prayateta kovido
na labhyate yad bhramatām upary adhaḥ
(SB 1.5.18)

"You should try . . . one should try to achieve that thing which cannot be gained even by going up or going down." "Up" means upper planetary system, and "down" means lower planetary system. And Bhagavad-gītā also confirms this, ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthāḥ. There are three modes of material nature. "Those who are situated on the modes of goodness, they are promoted to the higher planetary system." And ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā madhye tiṣṭhanti rājasāḥ (BG 14.18).

There are seven . . . according to Vedic information, there are fourteen different spheres of planetary system: seven down and seven up. So we are in the middle. This is called Bhūrloka. Above this, there is Bhuvarloka. Above that, there is Svargaloka, heavenly. The moon planet and similar other planets in the orbit, they are called Svargaloka. Bhūrloka, Bhuvarloka, Svargaloka.

Then Janaloka. In Janaloka . . . great saintly persons, after death, they go to Janaloka or Maharloka. Then there is Satyaloka, or Brahmaloka. In this way there are seven planetary spheres. Similarly, down also: Tala, Atala, Vitala, Talātala, Rasātala, Pātāla. They are also named, down, down, down, down. The lowest down planetary system is called Pātāla.

So here Nārada Muni says that, "Try to achieve that thing which is not gained even if you go to the highest planetary system or if you go to the lowest planetary system—or if you remain in this planetary system, middle." That means . . . going up means to be situated in the modes of goodness. Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthāḥ (BG 14.18). Sattva-sthā, "Those who are situated in the mode of goodness, they can be elevated to the higher planetary system." Madhye tiṣṭhanti rājasāḥ: "And those who are in the modes of passion, they remain within this world."

And adho gacchanti . . . jaghanya-guṇa-vṛtti-sthāḥ: "Those whose habits are very abominable," jaghanya. Jaghanya means very abominable, hateful. "One who is addicted to such hateful habits . . ." Jaghanya-guṇa-vṛtti, adho gacchanti. Adho gacchanti means either they go down planetary system or down living condition just like animals. Just like animals, they are jaghanya-guṇa-vṛtti-sthāḥ.

They can lie down anywhere. They can eat anything. They have no sense that, "This is not good, I am doing this." They have no sense. Just like tree. We go sometimes in the jungle. A tree is standing for several thousands of years, but it has no sense, "Oh, I am standing like this, alone?" These are the births of jaghanya-guṇa-vṛtti-sthā adho gacchanti. If our character and behavior is very low and abominable, then we are awaiting such condition of life.

But here Nārada Muni says that there is another thing, which is neither achieved either in the higher planetary system or lower planetary system. That means pāpa-puṇya. You go to the higher planetary system by pious activities, and you go to the lower, I mean to say, less than human life or lower planetary system, by papa, or sinful activities. But Kṛṣṇa says that "Don't be attracted by pious activities; neither go down to abominable condition of life. Simply capture Me." Mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja.

That is the whole instruction of Bhagavad-gītā. He has also explained:

ābrahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ
punar āvartino 'rjuna
mām upetya kaunteya
punar janma na vidyate
(BG 8.16)

"My dear Arjuna, even if you go up to the Brahmaloka, with so much long duration of life . . ." Kṛṣṇa does not speak that "You go down." Of course, that is for the third class, lowest class of men. That is another thing. But even if you first-class man, and by your pious activities you go up to the Brahmaloka, so punar āvartinaḥ, you have to again fall down. Mām upetya kaunteya: "But if you come to Me, then there is no such fear that you'll fall down." Mām upetya kaunteya punar janma na vidyate: "Then you haven't got to come here and again take birth."

So Nārada Muni also, the same thing. This is called paramparā system.

tasyaiva hetoḥ prayateta kovido
na labhyate yad bhramatām upary adhaḥ
tal labhyate duḥkhavad anyataḥ sukhaṁ
kālena sarvatra gabhīra-raṁhasā
(SB 1.5.18)

The nature's law is acting. So you don't try for being elevated to the higher standard of life or higher planetary system. There is no need of wasting your energy in that way. So higher or lower, that will come. That will come without . . . just like we try to become happy or peaceful, but by circumstances we are put into unhappiness, disturbed condition of life. Nobody asks for it, but we are sometimes obliged to accept this. Similarly, by . . . without your endeavor, if you can be put into distressed condition of life, why not without your endeavor you may be put in the happy condition of life? So don't try to be elevated in happy condition of life or distressed condition of life. Try for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then your energy will be properly utilized.

This human form of life is so important that in this life only we can try to execute Kṛṣṇa consciousness. In the higher planetary system . . . just like Yamala-Arjuna . . . that story is narrated in our book, Kṛṣṇa. Yamala-Arjuna, they were two sons, Nalakūvara and Maṇigrīva, two sons of Kuvera. Kuvera is supposed to be the treasurer of the heavenly planets. So very rich man's son. So they were enjoying swimming in a very nice lake in the Śivaloka. That description is there. And with young girls and intoxicated.

So they forgot that they are demigods, and they were naked. To become naked is the most uncivilized way. In the Vedic system, to . . . nakedness is . . . why Vedic system? Suppose if you go naked on the street, immediately you'll be punished. You cannot say that, "I have got my independence. I can . . ." No. Against the etiquette.

So these boys, Nalakūvara, they were intoxicated and naked, and were enjoying swimming with other girls. And Nārada was passing through that way, and he saw, "Oh, they have fallen into such abominable condition? They are forgotten that they belong to very respectable family, and I am passing here with . . ." So they were cursed. Not cursed; they were given the benediction that . . . by devotee, either a man is cursed or given benediction, it is the same thing. Just like these boys, they were cursed to take birth of the tree, who has no sense. Tree is naked, or a animal is . . . an animal is naked, but they have no sense. But if a human being becomes like that, then he is considered uncivilized.

So Nārada Muni says that kālena sarvatra gabhīra-raṁhasā. We should try for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Otherwise, even if we go in higher standard of life, our . . . sometimes our consciousness is so degraded that, that that two sons of Kuvera, although they were . . . they got the body of demigods, still, they had to come down to take the birth of the life of trees, Yamala-Arjuna.

So there is every chance, every chance of falldown. Why there are so many species of life? Why we are thinking that, "Our life is guaranteed; we shall continue like this"? This is called ignorance. Any moment this standard of life, this comfortable standard of life, may be lost. Therefore Nārada says that, "Everyone should try to achieve that benefit of life which is not available within the fourteen worlds, fourteen," I mean to say "different types of planetary system."

So Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura has captured this idea. And he sings, golokera prema-dhana, hari-nāma-saṅkīrtana (Prārthanā), "This hari-nāma-saṅkīrtana, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, is not anything of this material world, either of the higher planetary system or the lower planetary system." It is golokera prema-dhana. It is the happy mode, not this mode of passion or goodness or ignorance. The happy mode, imported from Kṛṣṇaloka, Goloka. Therefore it is transcendental vibration. It is not of this material world.

Golokera prema-dhana, hari-nāma-saṅkīrtana, rati nā janmilo kene tāy: "I am so unfortunate that this hari-nāma-saṅkīrtana, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, is imported from Goloka Vṛndāvana, transcendental platform." Rati nā janmilo kene tāy, "But I have no attraction for this." Biṣaya-biṣānale, dibā-niśi hiyā jvale: "Although I am suffering always with the anxieties of this material adjustment of things . . ." Biṣaya-biṣānale, dibā-niśi hiyā jvale, tore bare nā koinu upāy. Tore bare means "There is way to get out of this anxious status of life, but I have no attraction." Caitanya Mahāprabhu also says like that. Enechi auṣadhi māyā nāśibāro lāgi': "I have brought a nice medicine to kill the spell of māyā. So you take it."

So Nārada Muni also says the same thing what Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, what Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says, what Kṛṣṇa says. This is paramparā system. He says that, "Don't be," I mean to say, "very much anxious how to adjust your material comforts of life. Let it come as it is destined. You simply try to develop Kṛṣṇa consciousness, because this consciousness is not available." In higher planetary system . . . just like this example. They are puffed up with so much opulence. A man . . . just like we are inviting, we are attracting, middle class of men. Those who are too much rich, in consideration of this . . . they are not attracted. They think that, "All right, these boys are chanting in the street. All right." Not . . . I don't think very rich men contributes. They also, middle class of men, they contribute something.

So to become too much rich, too much puffed up with opulence like the two sons of Kuvera, is another chance of being degraded. To remain a little poor is better condition for developing Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore our duty should be not to become a very great man in the consideration of these materialistic men. If he wants thousands and millions of dollars, become like a Rockefeller or Ford, that will be great a estimation of these common, materialistic man, but from spiritual point of view, such things have no value—unless such opulence is engaged in the service of the Lord. Otherwise, it is the cause of falldown.

So Nārada Muni says that, "Just try to save people to take to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, and other things will automatically . . . whatever is destined by the laws of nature, they will get it. So there is no need of performing ritualistic ceremonies for being promoted to the heavenly planets or this or that. It is useless. What does he gain by that? He'll come down again. So don't teach them like that. Simply teach them to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That will make their life successful."

Thank you. (end)