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720302 - Conversation with Lalita Prasad - Birnagar

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His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

720302TA-BIRNAGAR - March 02, 1972 - 139:44 Minutes

(Bengali / English talk with Lalitā Prasād, son of Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) . . . (indistinct) . . . (whispers)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (Bengali) Let me go and come back, and everything will be all right.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes, yes . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . I will show you.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (Bengali to a child): Where's your mother?

Boy: She's taking prasada.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Taking prasada.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . So, you've traveled a lot?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (Bengali) A lot! (English) So, Bhavānanda is sleeping in the car?

Śyāmasundara: Yes he is feeling sick.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . What?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (Bengali) That'll be there.

Man: Dadu, the bed-cover . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) . . . (indistinct) . . . Oh, I see.. what?

Man: (Bengali: Show me which bed-cover . . .)

Lalitā Prasāda: Oh yes, oh yes, let's go . . . (indistinct)

(indistinct background talk and whispers)

Gurudas: . . . the United States. In 1938 cause Bhaktivinode Ṭhākura had said that he shouldn’t go. He said I tried to disobey him.

(indistinct Bengali conversation) (break)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (Bengali) . . . (indistinct) . . . I will take leave now.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Over here there was . . .I have many . . .

(Conversation in the background is loud) (break)

Lady: . . . (indistinct)

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . Built a house . . . kirtana . . .

Śyāmasundara: You just got started on this?

Jayapatāka: (indistinct) . . . start already

Śyāmasundara: Let's just finish.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: These are Bhaktivinoda Thakura's teachings . . .

Lady: Yes, all that . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: I have one thing to say . . .

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Lalitā Prasāda: It's not possible not to say it . . .

Śrīla Prabhupāda: What?

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct whispers)

Lady: . . . (indistinct)

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: We'll discuss later . . . all right, I'll take leave . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Lady: All right, dandavat.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Dandavat.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . you're not going stay here for two days?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Why should I not stay?

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistict) all by yourself . . . alone

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes.

Lady: Regarding guru parampara . . . are you listening?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: What?

Lady: A devotee mentioned about guru parampara . . .

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . (devotees talking)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: (whispers)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hmm . . .

Lady: He's narrating our plight and the situation . . .

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

(break) (indistinct background talk)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: We can settle everything. Another ten days?

Lady: Yes.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Oh! Then I have to leave. If he can come to Bombay, then that will be good. Can't he come to Bombay? I can take care of the expenses.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . no no, they have given sufficient money for expenses.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: What?

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . given enough for expenses.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: All right.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . after six years.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Unless I meet, how will the work get done?

Lalitā Prasāda: It will get done . . . . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes. While I'm still here . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Why don't you send a telegram and get him to come here?

Lalitā Prasāda:

Lady: His leave is over.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: What?

Lalitā Prasāda: He has a job . . . his leave is . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: I will be in Calcutta . . . maximum till the 8th. Will he be able to come by then?

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes . . .

Lady: The 8th of next month?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: No, this month.

Lady: Oh . . . this month? Yes, yes, he will come.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: This month means . . . today, is the 2nd of March . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . whatever it is, I am here and Maharaja . . . what's to fear?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: All right . . . (indistinct)

Lady: . . . that temple that's there..

Lalitā Prasāda: Listen to what he's saying . . . (indistinct) . . . He's saying that the temple entrance that is facing south should face east.

Lady: It is facing east . . . the small temple inside is also east . . . (indistinct)

Lalitā Prasāda: That . . . (indistinct) . . . then money is good.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: If it is . . . (indistinct) . . . if money is there, that is good.

Lady: It is north.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: He's saying that it must not face north. That's not the standard.

Lady: Facing south . . .

Śrīla Prabhupāda: It must either face south or east.

Lalitā Prasāda: With the temple facing south . . . (indistinct) . . . where?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: No, that has to be placed within the big temple.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Lady: That's right.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: The big temple is Bhaktivinoda Thakura's . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . with our heads raised high . . .

Lady: (indistinct) . . . I'm saying that let Prabhu quickly decide and demarcate the land..

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . Look, I will . . . I'm the son . . . the younger son.. . . . (indistinct) . . . fifteen years

Śrīla Prabhupāda: The place has to be cleansed properly . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: No . . . interest . . . (indistinct) . . . that's been done . . .

Lady: (indistinct) . . . The windows and all . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . No, I have cleaned it really well. after that, if it gets dirty, what can I do?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Oh, that . . . there are no people . . . they need to be brought . . .

Lady: There's a dearth of help . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: Help . . . will happen . . .

Śrīla Prabhupāda: That will be made into a good park.

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes, that can be done. And what I'm saying is that after sometime, I will decorate this temple.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: A good garden, a park and the temple on this side.

Lady: Prabhu, when he first got money, he made a rose garden with that . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . with fifteen thousand rupees . . .

Lady: . . . after that, they left, and the gardeners who were watering the flowers garden, ran away. And then everything became very expensive . . . . . . (indistinct) . . . and there was shortage of money.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: That . . . not with outside people, it has to be done on our own.

Lady: Earlier there was space, now . . . (indistinct)

Lalitā Prasāda: On our own . . .

Lady: . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: How much salary do the gardeners take over here?

Lady: Three rupees and twenty-five paisa daily. With food . . . this is the situation.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Lady: It works out to seventy rupees, ninety rupees per month with food.

Jayapataka: (Bengali) That doesn't make sense. Gardeners are from Calcutta.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: What?

Jayapataka: (Bengali) Gardeners from Calcutta.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Lalitā Prasāda: (English) The labour charge is three to four rupees every day.

Lady: There was a garden with beautiful roses

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Tell them that you'll pay off his debt.

Acyutānanda: To pay off that gardeners debt.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Well I have already promised him to pay on his debts but he, he said yes but he did not come. I am prepared to pay whatever his debt.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) . . . (indistinct) . . . do you understand?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: If this could've been done earlier, I could've started the discussion . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Lady: . . . (indistinct)

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: The society that yo had registered.

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes . . .

(Indistinct conversation in the background)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Are the papers there?

Lalitā Prasāda: (to devotee) Bring the original . . .

Devotee: Which one?

Lalitā Prasāda: It's in the box . . . show the original.

Devotee: Govinda knows . . .

(indistinct conversation in the background)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Can I see the original?

Lalitā Prasāda: Original . . . it's with the other papers . . . (indistinct) . . . Call Govinda.

Lady: Govinda! Please come here.

Govinda: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bring my . . . (indistinct)

(Indistinct conversation in the background)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . yes, that's the one..

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct query)

Govinda: Hmm, hmm.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . The original, the original . . . the original one is in the trunk.

(Sound of trunk being opened)

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . I have realised that . . . (indistinct) . . . the Hari-nam . . . (indistinct) . . . they have left me out . . . (indistinct) . . . this is my birth place . . . (indistinct) . . . Hari-nam

(break) (indistinct conversation)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Don't keep there. There is tendency for fallen down.

Śyāmasundara: I’ll just wash my hands then I’ll sit it nicely.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct Bengali conversation)

Śyāmasundara: Hmm. Ah. Family.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) a religious ceremony he will have (Bengali) He can do everything.

Śyāmasundara: (laughs). These are the sevites?

Lalitā Prasāda: Śrī sevites.

Śyāmasundara: Śrī Sevites.

Lalitā Prasāda: Who will declare that whoever is in power can do anything . . . (indistinct) . . . has more ink bottles than anybody. (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Then there is the signature of the seven persons.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śyāmasundara: Rules and regulations?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śyāmasundara: . . . of Śrī Bhaktivinode-goṣṭhī. Constitution. Constitution. This charitable religious literary association or society called Śrī Bhaktivinode-goṣṭhī is constituted and composed of seven members. Some of them paying subscription annually, and others for life paying subscriptions at a time. Including the Śevite of the Ulla Śrī Bhaktivinode Dvāras Mandir in the municipal town of Birnagar in the district of Nadia, West Bengal and the goṣṭhīpati of the society. All of whom will form the mem…

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Goṣṭhīpathi of the society . . . of Vrndavana? (Bengali) Who is goṣṭhīpati?

Lalitā Prasāda: Hmm? I am goṣṭhīpati.

Śyāmasundara: He's goṣṭhīpati.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: All of whom will form the managing executive committee and governing body, and will be eligible to become office bearers and will hold posts as - 1. President and Vice president. 2. Secretary and joint or assistant secretaries. 3. Treasurer and librarian. 4. Accountant. 5. Auditor. 6. Manager. 7. Goṣṭhīpathi. 8. Sevite and his assistants to perform seva and pūjā of deities at the said Mandir. And will hold any other post or posts which will be created afterwards by the committee as under the rules. Subscription of life member shall be annually 300 rupees at a time.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) If it's not specificed, then . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hmm

Śyāmasundara: The subscription for ordinary member shall be rupees one per month or rupees 12 per annum.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: 300 for whom?

Śyāmasundara: Life members.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hmm, life members.

Śyāmasundara: At a time.

(Bengali conversation)

Lalitā Prasāda:

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Lalitā Prasāda: They will spoil everything. I will allow them to spoil everything?

Śyāmasundara: These members will be solely and wholly in charge of the money.

Gurudas: Who?

Śyāmasundara: These members.

Lalitā Prasāda: Technical constitution.Technical constitution… . . . (indistinct) . . . legal.

Śyāmasundara: Yeah. Legal code? Yeah. These seven members? . . . (indistinct) . . . says these members. That is the seven members?

Lalitā Prasāda: Seven members regular members . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Yeah.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) most of members. (Bengali) . . . (indistinct) . . . account what has gone wrong? (laughs)


Śyāmasundara: It sounds like our constitution.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: It is the same.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) (Bengali conversation) in my own mind (Bengali conversation). 5000 invaluable. You will never . . . (indistinct) . . . Kept 5000 books.

Devotee: Books.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . who will be secretary? (laughs)

Śyāmasundara: Is the library here?

Devotee: Yes. We purchased the iron(?) here.

(Bengali conversation)

Jayapataka: Yogapitha

Lalitā Prasāda: We will never get. They have spoilt five thousand books . . . (indistinct) . . . invaluable

Śrīla Prabhupāda: I think . . . just as we have our society . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Just the same as your's . . . same way . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes, the same . . .

(indistinct talk in the background)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: So, your society can give our society, a lease. For development. Then, it will become simple. Let the management remain with you. But for the development of this place, we'll hold the lease from you.

Lalitā Prasāda: For how many years? Legal limit?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Legal limit, so 99 years.

Lalitā Prasāda: 99 years.

(Bengali conversation)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Please decide on this. Then we can start. Let your constitution remain the same. We have our own constitution. Only on lease we will develop this place. That's all. (English) Simple fact. Simply lease for so many years with option to revive.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) Does that mean the members will take a decision?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: Then . . .

Śrīla Prabhupāda: You prepare the lease for us, and we can begin work. Then, the temple, garden and park can be built. Ten or fifteen of your people can stay here. Kirtana will go on . . . this is what will happen

Lalitā Prasāda: This place is there only for these things, not for anything else.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Not for anything else.

Lalitā Prasāda: I haven't allowed anyone to come here . . . (indistinct) . . . I haven't allowed.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Therefore, (English) simple lease for so many years, with an option to revive. (Bengali) Just make a lease, and it's done.

Lalitā Prasāda: What did you say?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Please make a lease.

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: You don't have to gift. There's no need for gift. (English) We don’t want proprietorship, you give us lease.

Lalitā Prasāda: Lease.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: For 99 years. For development, that's all. (Bengali) Your people will be there, and our people will be there to render service and worship

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) Yes.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (Bengali) Now I require massages.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Where would you like to take massage? In the sunshine?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: In the sun?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Massage. We will take massage.

(Bengali conversation)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) very good that you are keeping them. (laughs) I am very glad.

(Bengali conversations)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: You also take bath?

Devotees: Yes.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Gurudāsa: That bathing ghat by Bhaktivinode's…

(Bengali conversation)

Devotee: Yeah, I’ll show you the temple.

Gurudāsa: All right.

Devotee: I’ll just take you to the…

Gurudāsa: You know I just did a round by the birth site. It was wonderful.

Devotee: Around of . . . (indistinct) . . . of beads

Gurudāsa: Beads. Now I’ll do some film.

(simultaneous Bengali / English conversations)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) . . . (indistinct) . . . home be at home. Logic. (Bengali)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Be at home. Logic (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: B H… be at home. Oh. (laughs)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: We’re at home.

Śyāmasundara: (laughs)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: We are at our father's house.

(Bengali conversation) two hours (Bengali)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Bas. (Bengali)

(Bengali conversation)

Śyāmasundara: There's a place . . . (indistinct)

(Bengali conversation)

Bengali devotee: (reading newspaper) Russia France and Britain. (Bengali) (break). A tide of discussion between India and Pakistan. Russia . . . (indistinct) . . . France and Britain want.

(Bengali conversation) (break)

Lalitā Prasāda: I get sun.

Śyāmasundara: Sun. You will go out for some sun also? So you are leaving?

Lalitā Prasāda: Ah.

Śyāmasundara: Okay.

Lalitā Prasāda: I get sun . . . in the winter sun come, come . . . that way.

Śyāmasundara: So you will move over and sit here?

Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. I sit . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Ah.

(Bengali conversation)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) room.

Śyāmasundara: Eh?

Lalitā Prasāda: You’re staying?

Śyāmasundara: We will sit there?

Lalitā Prasāda: Nah. (Bengali)

Bengali devotee: The room is.

Śyāmasundara: That's all right I don’t need to go anywhere.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) another room.

Śyāmasundara: All right.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Okay. (laughs)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: We want to walk. Okay, all right.

Lalitā Prasāda: A guest.

Śyāmasundara: We’ll go see. Thank you. (break)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (Bengali conversation in the garden).

He looks like his father also.

Śyāmasundara: His mother appears very beautiful also in those photos.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hm.

Śyāmasundara: Shining face. That man is reading the newspaper to him. Every day he gets all the news.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: This is the system, old aristocratic.

Śyāmasundara: Ah.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Every old man should engage a man to read the news.

Śyāmasundara: Oh.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Spread it.

Śyāmasundara: On the ground?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes. Watch the bottle. It will be dry within 10 minutes by the time I take my.

Yadubara: I shouldn’t wring that should I?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: No, simply make this. Here that's all spread. Spread it that is sufficient. Hari-nāma hari-nāma. It will be dry in 10 minutes. Yes he knows, that's it.

Śyāmasundara: (laughs)

Yadubara: Easy way to iron.

Śyāmasundara: These are old temples?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: These are very old temples?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes. At least 200 years.

Śyāmasundara: Hm. Always they have worshipped Viṣṇu in this temple? Kṛṣṇa.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Formerly they used to worship goddess Kali.

Śyāmasundara: Is that boy some relation?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: No.

Śyāmasundara: Just a friend. Society. A good boy.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: I have given him the suggestion the whole thing is solved in one minute. He also agrees.

Śyāmasundara: Lease.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Lease.

Śyāmasundara: 99 years.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: That's it.

Śyāmasundara: Not for proprietorship for development.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: What is the use of proprietorship?

Śyāmasundara: What do we care? (laughs) Kṛṣṇa is the proprietor.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: 99 years, our life, your life, your grand your son's life… We have to give some service so long the body is there, otherwise what shall I do with the property? Everything will remain here.

Śyāmasundara: He knows that you are in a position to develop it until some.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes, 99. So one bucket cold water and one bucket hot water and one soap.

Śyāmasundara: One hot and one cold.

(indistinct discussion) (break).

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Bhavānanda is a good massager.

Śyāmasundara: Yes. How big is the property here? Does it extend around some distance?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: 20 bigas.

Śyāmasundara: 20 bigas, oh that is large.

Gurudāsa: Has he agreed to your proposals Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śyāmasundara: So should we get? Draw up some papers or?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: He’ll do it.

Śyāmasundara: He’ll do it. Very nice. (laughs) So before you leave India.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śyāmasundara: All these things finished.

(break). I was I always used to dream that you would take us to these places. (laughs) (break)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: So we require a few cars from America.

Śyāmasundara: Yes.

Devotee: Jeeps.

Śyāmasundara: I think heavy Jeeps.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: That is.

Śyāmasundara: Cars like that rough.

Devotee: Like UNICEF Jeeps.

Śyāmasundara: Or Land Rovers.

Devotee: Yes.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: That's all right. There is bathroom? No?

Śyāmasundara: Yes… And some more men also I think are required.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śyāmasundara: (indistinct) . . . they’ll all come out.

Gurudāsa: They don’t want to come anyway.

(indistinct conversation)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: I’ve got enough for…(break)

Devotee (2): Jagannath Purī also.

Gurudāsa: Dvārkādīśa, where the boats.

Śyāmasundara: Where is Dvārakā dhāma

Devotee: Dvārakā dhāma.

Gurudāsa: Dvārakā dhāma when we get some amphibious Kṛṣṇa conscious. Hare Kṛṣṇa. . . (break)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: . . . and was purchased by Bhaktivinode Ṭhākura at Rs.150.

Acyutānanda: All of it?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śyāmasundara: Per biga?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: No for the whole plot.

Acyutānanda: (laughs)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: That was 20 bigas.

Śyāmasundara: In Mayapur that man from the Caitanya Math has bought 150 acres.

Acyutānanda: That's about Rs.10. Less than Rs.10. (break)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . who had some excess money in hand. (break). After producing they want cash in their hand. The capitalist will take, hold it for some time naturally the price will increase and they will sell it. That system is still going on but it is very dangerously made.

People do not bring out the commodity they simply speculate, "I purchased it from you, you purchase it from me," so the goods are there and transaction is going on. I sell to you, you sell to him, you sell and so on and people do not get the goods. There is scarcity and it is lying somewhere and the speculation is going on.

Śyāmasundara: Somewhere else.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes. And because the goods are not coming the market is increasing, you see. This rogueism is going on and there are so many banks although I have no money. Suppose I want to purchase one lakh worth of grains. Somehow or other if I have Rs.20,000 the bank will give me 80,000.

So the market is increasing, I’m not selling and when it is to my full satisfaction I sell, I pay the banks money and take a large huge profit. This is going on, in every commodity. Things are not coming out it has become gold exchange. But they will sell just at the beginning of the next season.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Otherwise they will be put into knots. (break)

Śyāmasundara: No, no as long as you are here I’m not afraid.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Ah, the population has decreased.

Śyāmasundara: They have driven them away. Or killed them.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: When there is… Just like you do not go to the forest . . . (indistinct) . . . infested with many animals. Similarly they also do not come to the human society and the bigger population.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: This is the safe, bhayaṁ dvitīyābhiniveśataḥ syād (SB 11.2.37), for forgetting Kṛṣṇa all the living entities they are afraid of one another.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: That's all. They have forgotten that Kṛṣṇa is the centre he is our father. So there is no fear but that they have forgotten. Now, īśād apetasya viparyayo 'smṛtiḥ, they have forgotten that we are brothers. Therefore fight, we have got equal rights to enjoy the father's property but no, I am taking more you are starving. And this is going on. Kṛṣṇa consciousness will solve all these questions.

If everyone has got the right to enjoy father's property why one should take more? This is the best idea of communism, these things are there in Bhāgavata. Bhāgavata says whatever is there in the sky, whatever there is on the land and whatever there is on the water they belong to the Supreme Lord. So every living entity has the right to enjoy it as it is allotted by the Lord. This is Bhāgavata's contribution.

Śyāmasundara: Hm. In other words if a man is born a King he is allowed to enjoy like a King?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes King is to manage these affairs.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: If everything is property of God, you are all sons of God. So King's business is to see that nobody is encroaching upon other's property. Nobody is fighting and he equally distributes the produce, that is the King's duty. He has to see that whether brāhmaṇas are executing their duty, kṣatriya's, vaiśyas according to their division, this is King's duty. To make him Kṛṣṇa conscious but King is simply interested with the tax. No education, so-called King, and the King is finished, now the people have taken in the name of people's government but it is an oligarch.

It is for the interests of a few men and all of them rogues and thieves just like Gandhi started indigenous manufacture. Buy sell car, by manufacturing one's own cloth, now that became a show and the government started big big factories owned by capitalists. So Britishers were taking one rupee and eight annas per pair and they are now taking twenty-one rupees eight annas. Twenty times increase, government does not say anything because they are getting tax in different ways, excise tax, sales tax, income tax and the tax is distributed amongst the government servants. People do not get any benefit.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: 20% of the tax collected, they distribute for the people's welfare and 80% divided, divided by the governors, rajputies, secretaries and government servants—this is the position. One side the capitalist is exploiting and the government is taking tax from them and the government means a few men they are enjoying, that's it. This is all over the world I can see, and they want that the people should be engaged in fighting in the name of nationalism and they will enjoy that's all.

They have no good idea for the betterment of the position of the citizens. What we are doing every government should have done it—Kṛṣṇa consciousness but the rascals they simply plunder the citizens and enjoy. Wine women and flesh—this is the position. (break) . . . (indistinct) . . . they are mlecchas and taking the dress of the King, killing the whole world. (break).

(Bengali conversation)

LalitāPrasāda: (Bengali).

12 lakhs and all under the . . . (indistinct) . . . and putting a temple on that land only to get rid of it. 30 bigas to get the site, your site(?).

Śrīla Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . it start by . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Otherwise there is meeting 4 o’clock?

Śyāmasundara: Not today.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: Not today tomorrow.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Not tomorrow. The press reporter?

Śyāmasundara: Oh is there a press meeting?

Gurudāsa: I don’t know.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śyāmasundara: Oh.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: The press reporters from Navadvīpa will come.

Śyāmasundara: Hmm.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: After four. So we must reach there by five, it will take 2 ½ hours. So by half past two we must get out.

Lalitā Prasāda: Half past two (Bengali).

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Let us . . .

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (Bengali) prasādam ready.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali).

Śyāmasundara: So at about 2 o’clock I will begin working on the car and try to make that horn work.

Devotee: . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Without horn, not possible?

Śyāmasundara: No, well we can do that again. (laughs)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: What's wrong with that?

Śyāmasundara: It's dangerous.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bell, ringing a bell.

Śyāmasundara: Dinner plate.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bell. Hanging bell (Bengali).

Śyāmasundara: No Prabhupāda's plate. You know plate? Brass plate.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bell. Bell we use that.

Śyāmasundara: Oh Yeah (laughs).

Lalitā Prasāda: Bell. Ding dong bell.

Śyāmasundara: (laughs)

Gurudāsa: (laughs) Hare Kṛṣṇa. (Japa)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) (break)

(plays a part of Prabhupāda's recording Bengali conversation). Sideways, side view (Bengali).

Śyāmasundara: Only from the side?

Lalitā Prasāda: All the back.

Śyāmasundara: Only from the side?

Lalitā Prasāda: On the back.

Śyāmasundara: Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: This side.

Śyāmasundara: Left side?

Lalitā Prasāda: Left side. . . . (indistinct) . . . for me heavy.

Śyāmasundara: Ah. Ah . . . No eyeglasses?

Lalitā Prasāda: Eyeglasses (Bengali) use, coming cataract.

Śyāmasundara: Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: Full of cataract.

Śyāmasundara: Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) This side I can see.

Śyāmasundara: Ah . . . one eye is better than no. A one-eyed uncle is better than no uncle.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) this eye I had no view (Bengali). I want a doctor to test my eye. Well life is shortened that way. Life is shortened.

Devotees: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: If I operate with the cataract life will be shortened.

Gurudāsa: Oh yes, yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: The affect on the whole system.

Gurudāsa: Yes, yes that's a fact.

Lalitā Prasāda: And even if I live for 100 years . . . (indistinct) . . . have to die 40 years ago. . . . (indistinct) . . . Any operation lessens the longevity of life.

Gurudāsa: Yes yes.

Gurudāsa: Longevity of life. Because then something else has to replace that…

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) you are no young men (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: The . . . (indistinct) . . . are diminished. Diminished.

Śyāmasundara: Hm… But when you are speaking on religious subjects then your strength comes out?

Lalitā Prasāda: Beg your pardon?

Śyāmasundara: You said that when you are speaking on religious subjects then your strength comes out.

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes, yes. On religious, I don’t see any difficulty. A sense of ploy from heaven. God sends His, I don’t know. (Bengali). So that it is possible to sing the name of God and know what is holy.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: They’re fond of māyā.

Gurudāsa: Servants of māyā.

Lalitā Prasāda: The illusory energy, I call. Illusory energy. Illusion.

Gurudāsa: Yes illusion.

Lalitā Prasāda: Illusory energy is māyās shakti . . . (indistinct) . . . illusionary. Have you bed? Bedding?

Śyāmasundara: Bedding? Yes they are in Māyāpura.

Lalitā Prasāda: In Māyāpura only?

Śyāmasundara: In our camp.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . another morning at the Ganges

(Gong sounds)

Śyāmasundara: Yes we go bathing there.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) 400 years ago (Bengali) jan-nagar(?) straight to the north.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Up to Gandhinagar.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: From jan-nagar And at Ganga it tries to. Took turn and then it came towards south. Towards East and then it goes a bit further . . . (indistinct) . . . 500 years ago . . . (indistinct) . . . time when Māyāpura was discovered again, Ṭhākura's expressed But again that was stopped and the course has taken another way. By… Other side . . . (indistinct) . . . how the Ganges has shifted from one side to another . . . (indistinct) . . . out 20 miles . . . Ganges shifted.

Śyāmasundara: Hm. 20 miles?

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes . . . (indistinct) . . . Ganges, at Māyāpura and 12 lakhs of people on the . . . (indistinct) . . . where you are now building this thing.

Śyāmasundara: Hm? 12 lakhs?

Lalitā Prasāda: 12 lakhs. Now . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Biggest temple in Bengal. We are rising.

Lalitā Prasāda: That will be.

Śyāmasundara: Yes. One of the biggest in India.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . will be glad.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: Longest. Longest.

Śyāmasundara: Eh? Tallest.

Lalitā Prasāda: Longest.

Śyāmasundara: Yeah.

Lalitā Prasāda: 200 feet in Bengal there is no . . . (indistinct) . . . Jagannath temple near . . . (indistinct) . . . Jagannath Purī that is 108 feet high.

Śyāmasundara: 180?

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . Here, here 150 .

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: You know this?

Gurudāsa: Yes in Orissa.

Lalitā Prasāda: Orissa.

Śyāmasundara: In San Francisco California we have New Jagannath Purī.

Lalitā Prasāda: Oh yes.

Śyāmasundara: In San Francisco.

Lalitā Prasāda: In San Francisco.

Śyāmasundara: And we have every year a big Ratha-yātrā.

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes flyer I’ve seen.

Śyāmasundara: You’ve seen picture?

Lalitā Prasāda: I’ve seen a picture.

Śyāmasundara: (laughs) And in London also Ratha-yātrā.

Lalitā Prasāda: Very good. In London her Majesty should join the Ratha. I think I have a picture.

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . Candra eh?

Śyāmasundara: I think we have now six temples in England.

Lalitā Prasāda: Six?

Śyāmasundara: Six temples in England.

Lalitā Prasāda: One in eh?

Śyāmasundara: London, Birmingham, Manchester, Cardiff,

Lalitā Prasāda: Birmingham, Manchester, Cardiff?

Śyāmasundara: Yes,

Gurudāsa: Edinburg.

Śyāmasundara: Edinburgh.

Lalitā Prasāda: Edinburgh?

Śyāmasundara: Scotland and Dublin.

Lalitā Prasāda: Edinburgh, Dublin?

Śyāmasundara: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: Ireland and Scotland.

Śyāmasundara: Yes Ireland and Scotland.

Gurudāsa: (Sings along with kīrtana in background) bhaja bhakata-vatsala śrī-gaurahari.

Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. In London there are two classes of men. One . . . (indistinct) . . . in Ireland. Irish in England?

Śyāmasundara: In London?

Lalitā Prasāda: Ireland.

Śyāmasundara: Ireland. Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: Ireland is independent?

Śyāmasundara: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: Not under the British rule?

Śyāmasundara: No. British have lost their rule everywhere.

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes everywhere yes Americans have . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Because they are taking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness they will be saved, America.

Lalitā Prasāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: America is now taking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

Lalitā Prasāda: In New York?

Śyāmasundara: Everywhere. America is taking to this Hare Kṛṣṇa chanting.

Lalitā Prasāda: Simple.

Śyāmasundara: Simple.

Lalitā Prasāda: America . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: No. Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: In all the states?

Śyāmasundara: All the big cities.

Lalitā Prasāda: All the states?

Śyāmasundara: over 60 temples in America. Established by Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Lalitā Prasāda: In the States, where the states? . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Yes. Every big city, one big big temple.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . the pūjā is?

Śyāmasundara: Throughout the day.

Lalitā Prasāda: All through eh?

Śyāmasundara: All through, starting. Maṅgala-ārati starts at 4 o’clock. maṅgala-ārati, maṅgala-ārati 4 o’clock.

Lalitā Prasāda: 4 o’clock.

Śyāmasundara: Morning.

Lalitā Prasāda: Morning.

Śyāmasundara: Going up to sundara-ārati at 9 o’clock at night. And throughout the day at least 10, 12 ārati. 10 or 12 times, prasādam is offered, ārati.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bhog bhog.

Śyāmasundara: Bhog.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bhog. (Bengali conversation)

Gurudāsa: Hare Kṛṣṇa . . . (indistinct)

(Bengali conversation, someone has asked for mṛdaṅga)

(Bengali conversation with Śrīla Prabhupāda)

Śyāmasundara: You don’t eat?

Lalitā Prasāda: By the grace of God. Get some milk . . . (indistinct) . . . five years… They are bhaktas they can approach to Godhead. (Bengali) (Bengali conversations) they are like monkeys.

Śyāmasundara: Monkeys?

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . are like monkeys. (laughs)

(Bengali Prabhupāda and others)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Let us go… call them.

Śyāmasundara: We are going now?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: No. Then later.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) take lunch?

Śyāmasundara: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . somebody.

Śyāmasundara: Oh yes there is one boy he has jaundice. One boy.

Lalitā Prasāda: Take fruit juice?

Śyāmasundara: Only fruits, fruits, that's all. I think he takes.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . that is the difficulty.

Śyāmasundara: At this time of year?

Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Ah. (laughs)

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . you go.

Śyāmasundara: All right. (Microphone being moved)

Lalitā Prasāda: …break it, very costly.

Śyāmasundara: About Rs.1000.

Lalitā Prasāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: Rs.1000

Lalitā Prasāda: 1000, Oh! You can . . . (indistinct) . . . bad work there is.

Śyāmasundara: Eh? Where?

Lalitā Prasāda: Bad work

(referring to bad workmanship in the house and advising to beware)

Śyāmasundara: Bad work. Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . the money.

Śyāmasundara: But on good work, nothing. About one rupee.

(Bengali conversation)

Śyāmasundara: (Moving stuff). I will. I would like to bring my wife and child everybody in… Well maybe? How long it takes by train to come here? How long by train to come here?

Lalitā Prasāda: Ah. Two hours.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Two hours by train from Māyāpura, from Navadvīpa?

Lalitā Prasāda: Navadvīpa. . . . (indistinct) . . . 20 minutes.

Śyāmasundara: 20 minutes?

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . is five minutes. 10 miles from this place.

Śyāmasundara: From here to Navadvīpa?

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Kṛṣṇa-nagar? Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: Kṛṣṇa-nagar . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Ah. I see in total 18 miles. Yeah.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . straight.

Śyāmasundara: Okay. Yeah.

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . not long distance . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: So from here there is train direct to Kṛṣṇa-nagar.

Lalitā Prasāda: If you go . . . (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Yeah straight.

Lalitā Prasāda: Straight, you make a straight line.

Śyāmasundara: Yeah (laughs)

Lalitā Prasāda: (indistinct) . . . (Bengali conversation)

Śyāmasundara: Okay we will go.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation)

(Kīrtana in background)

(Bengali conversation)

Śyāmasundara: Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Lalitā Prasāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa . . . (indistinct) . . . what you want somebody comes?

Śyāmasundara: Eh?

Lalitā Prasāda: You want . . . (indistinct) . . . comes?

Śyāmasundara: Yes.

(Bengali conversations and silence for 5 mins) (break)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali) Nehru (break)

Gurudāsa: Passport?

Lalitā Prasāda: Passport . . . In all the world.

Gurudāsa: In what year?

Lalitā Prasāda: 38.

Gurudāsa: 38. Oh!

Lalitā Prasāda: When I retired from service.

Gurudāsa: Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: Just I asked my officer to give me passport.

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: It took me only five minutes.

Gurudāsa: Five minutes?

Lalitā Prasāda: Jawaharlal Nehru gave me a passport.

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: He took 5 minutes, I offer you, six, there was six also to get passport and I only got it within two minutes, five minutes. The passport officer there Adleston in charge, he was astonished, "how could he issue?" But you’re officer is my officer.

Gurudāsa: (laughs)

Lalitā Prasāda: Hear that everywhere, Oh. And he came . . . (indistinct) . . . to get the passport to a seat . . . (indistinct) . . .

Śyāmasundara: Jaya.

Lalitā Prasāda: That passport is still with me. Little things . . . (indistinct) . . . I couldn’t go very early.

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: My health is bad.

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: I present you Gods position (laughs) I got ill . . . sick.

Gurudāsa: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: So I haven’t done that. Because my father that Bhaktivinode told me, "you do not go out of India."

Gurudāsa: Oh he told you?

Lalitā Prasāda: Still I could go . . . (indistinct)

Gurudāsa: Oh still that is… then got ill.

Lalitā Prasāda: Yes and his wish . . . (indistinct) . . . so I got a little.

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: I couldn’t move.

Gurudāsa: Haribol.

Lalitā Prasāda: Bhaktivinode's wish how can I disobey?

Gurudāsa: Yes. Impossible.

Lalitā Prasāda: Though I tried to do it. But.

Gurudāsa: Impossible.

Lalitā Prasāda: And his wish is on him.

Gurudāsa: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: And they have come then above you(?).

Gurudāsa: Yes, yes…

Lalitā Prasāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . I rented, I rented just as . . . but (break) I rented, I rented but in Bengali.

(speaking French) je ne sais pas . . . (indistinct)

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Lalitā Prasāda: He very glad to see me. A number of years ago . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Ah.

Lalitā Prasāda: Maṅgala . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (Bengali) (break)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversations with Prabhupāda).

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Give me water, cold water.

Lalitā Prasāda: Cold water. Ah. Ho! Holiya! Holi!

Holi: . . . (indistinct)

Lalitā Prasāda: Cold water. (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Cold water?

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Gurudāsa: You also photographed that poster?

Lalitā Prasāda: Eh?

Gurudāsa: You also photographed that portrait?

Lalitā Prasāda: Fo . . .?

Gurudāsa: That famous photo.

Lalitā Prasāda: Photo?

Gurudāsa: You photograph that one?

Lalitā Prasāda: You like . . . (indistinct)

Gurudāsa: Acha, that one is famous all around the world.

Lalitā Prasāda: All over the world.

Gurudāsa: All over the world.

Lalitā Prasāda: That was done by me, originally. You saw in the album?

Gurudāsa: Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: That was very . . . (indistinct)

Gurudāsa: But this one especially.

Yadubara: He has this on the album also.

Gurudāsa: It is very famous…

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda)

Gurudāsa: You can ask Śrīla Prabhupāda . . . (indistinct)

Yadubara: Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Yadubara: Śrīla Prabhupāda would you like to have a photo with Lalitā Prasāda?

Lalitā Prasāda: (laughs).

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Ah. Yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . sit down here. No.

Yadubara: I don’t think he can move very well.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: No he cannot move, I can move.

Yadubara: Yeah.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Where shall I sit?

Yadubara: It would be best if he could turn. I’m not sure if he can do that, and you could sit here.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: I will sit down here.

Yadubara: Yeah, you could sit on the chair here.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Oh.

Yadubara: And if he can turn a little, I can take the photo from there.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (Bengali). Mystical?

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Yadubara: We’ll do a candid and a portrait, also.

Gurudāsa: Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Yadubara: Lalitā Prasāda, can you look this way?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: (Bengali). You should always address him Ṭhākura Mahārāja

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda)

Yadubara: Very nice. Thank you very much.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Śrīla Prabhupāda: The car is ready or not?

Gurudāsa: I think Śyāmasundara is just finishing fixing.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Gurudāsa: Śyāmasundara prabhu!

Yadubara: Śyāmasundara how long will it be?

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Śyāmasundara: Five more minutes.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda)

Yadubara: He says five more minutes.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Hm.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Yadubara: No no. (laughs)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda).

Śrīla Prabhupāda: My Guru Mahārāja and Lalitā Prasāda Ṭhākura both are from the very beginning strict brahmacārīs.

Gurudāsa: Ohh!

Śyāmasundara: (Outside) Try it now.

Lalitā Prasāda: Age of six I was disgusted with making . . . (indistinct)

Gurudāsa: Oh.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: That means from the past life you were a…

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda and others).

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Finished?

Śyāmasundara: No. I need one small piece of wire. I wondered…

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda)

Śyāmasundara: Electric wire about this long.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversations with Prabhupāda and others)

Śyāmasundara: (laughs) He's got everything.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversations with Prabhupāda and others) Kṛṣṇa-nagar. You have come here.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.

Lalitā Prasāda: There you will turn and come here (Bengali).10 miles.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: And the road? (Bengali)

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversation with Prabhupāda and others). 15 miles . . . (indistinct) . . . one hour (Bengali conversations with Prabhupāda and others, whispers to Prabhupāda).

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Where is Bhavānanda?

Yadubara: He is sleeping.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali)

Yadubara: I think he is a little bit sick.

Lalitā Prasāda: (Bengali conversations with Prabhupāda and others, whispers to Prabhupāda)